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Honestly Nick, I am too busy with studies to conjure the many pages worth of Islam-defense I have contributed to this forum. Simply, understand that the Islamic faith, like all faiths, have those who are shining examples of what the faith is all about, and those who use it to do harm on people.

As a muslim who has gone to the mosque countless times, has a great relationship with his Imam, yet is still not extremely pious by some means-- what I gather from my Islamic faith is quite simple:

1) The first word that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was told to write in the Quran by the angel Gabriel (same angel as found in Testaments-- the canons of the Abrahamic faiths, as well as their characters are all nearly identical) was "READ". What I interpret from this, is, educate yourself. With every passing day, I try and consider myself an imperfect human being, and to strive to learn as much about myself, my family, and this planet as possible. So education rules supreme, as KRS-One would say :)

2) Be thankful. In my interpretation, this is what ties in with Ramadan, Zakat (charity), and praying 5 times a day (which I do not do, admittedly). Having a strong spiritual connection with God often results in finding a newfound appreciation for how fortunate you are. Coincidentally, I try to make as little excuses for myself as possible, and to appreciate and cherish everything I have been given in my life.

3) Be nice, co-existing, and polite to your siblings, parents, cousins, neighbours, and fellow strangers. I go with a motto of trying to be as nice to each and every sinlge person I meet, as possible. In fact, I go out of my way to try and connect with strangers, especially if they share beliefs or lifestyles different than mine. In my opinion, this sort of approach is one that is endorsed by, and what I have learned from Islam.

Among other smaller things, these are some of the major things that I have learned through the massive amounts of time I have spent educating myself on my faith. I try to read as much on other faiths as possible, and I find that they reinforce my belief in Islam even more. However, that is just my perspective. For someone else, it could be that something like Jainism, or Mormonism works for them better.

And ultimately, thats what it comes down to. I don't care what your affiliation is-- if your faith is influencing you to be a peaceful, respectful, hard-working, and loving individual, then I do not care what that faith is. And to those who say that the Islamic faith cannot turn out people of those descriptions-- then I truly feel sorry for you.

Thats all I have to contribute to this discussion.

Wow.. that's really great bro. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for.


What you said about "READ" is very important. It also lead to someone being able to "think". And if you think about it hard enough, one would realize that whoever created this earth & universe, created it with "Love" in mind. Why? Because that's the only way we can be happy and live without suffering. Love is truth.


Somebody needs to take this message of the Koran, and go out there and preach it to the "extremists" and show them that there is a better way.


If Christians can travel all over the world to Africa, etc, and convert them to Christianity. I do believe that Muslims can also reach out to their own people, the extremists more specifically, and show them a new way of looking at things.
 
ah we getting angry. So typical - and what you going to do kid? Find me and chop my head off? That would just prove my point lol.

Oh God no, I'd never do that. It's much more entertaining to watch the village idiot consistently stumbling over his opinions, and trying to make points with data that prove himself wrong. I'd never put you out of your misery.


Just keep doing you, AK.
 
Why is AKMVP ignoring all these passages? There are hundreds of these...

And yet there are hundreds which are filled with hate towards non believers and calls for violence. It is not my problem that some radicals see them in Quran and it gives them validation for Jihad. Maybe it is time to clean up and re-write Quran so it would trully be peaceful? In anyway it was written 1400 years ago, a bit outdated don't you think so?
 
Yet there is numerous Muslim countries who deny education of women and kill girls who try to go to school. Hypocrites.

Bro.. that's why I've said that we need to take what Dalamon has had the opportunity & the freedom to realize in Canada, to these countries that are miss-interpreting the Koran.

We should encourage well educated Muslims to go out and do this, the same way Christian Churches send out well educated missionaries to remote parts of the world.

It would actually be easy in the Muslims case as they're already Muslims to start with!
 
Wow.. that's really great bro. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for.


What you said about "READ" is very important. It also lead to someone being able to "think". And if you think about it hard enough, one would realize that whoever created this earth & universe, created it with "Love" in mind. Why? Because that's the only way we can be happy and live without suffering. Love is truth.


Somebody needs to take this message of the Koran, and go out there and preach it to the "extremists" and show them that there is a better way.


If Christians can travel all over the world to Africa, etc, and convert them to Christianity. I do believe that Muslims can also reach out to their own people, the extremists more specifically, and show them a new way of looking at things.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, there is one thing that seems to hold more power over people than their faith-- and that's money.




And what I mean by that, is this: unfortunately, this rising extremism has been proportional to the rise of wealth in the Middle East, from what I can tell. Corrupt Middle Eastern leaders who accumulate wealth will subordinate their own people using the 'veil of Islam', and then proceed to travel to Whistler, Canada and get smashed on Rosé (I saw this happen with my own eyes).


So to me, the problem is three-fold: Middle-Eastern Colonialization, establishment of Israel, and the corruption and insubordination of the wealthy. Colonialization really soured the perspectives of western ideals to your common Saudi citizen who doesn't know much about democracy, or other western civilization ideals. The establishment of Israel, to an Arab, seems like the west is out to get them. And finally, the wealthy elite use religion as a way to ramp up their extremist views, and create a society that they can maintain power of, as log as possible. The Shahs are utter despots, and individuals for whom I share great disgust.





So I think it's more than expanding my opinion and perspective of Islam. Trust me, I'm not the only one who shares this opinion. We just need to get rid of the head of the snake.
 
Bro.. that's why I've said that we need to take what Dalamon has had the opportunity & the freedom to realize in Canada, to these countries that are miss-interpreting the Koran.

We should encourage well educated Muslims to go out and do this, the same way Christian Churches send out well educated missionaries to remote parts of the world.

It would actually be easy in the Muslims case as they're already Muslims to start with!

I would love to see Dalamon trying to defend Pakistani girl rights to go to school to Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
 
Yet there is numerous Muslim countries who deny education of women and kill girls who try to go to school. Hypocrites.

Numerous Muslim COUNTRIES who deny education of women? Are you daft?



Do you realize that the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad was an educated merchant!!!! YOU are the hypocrite. Education is arguably the most FUNDAMENTALLY important aspect of islam
 
I would love to see Dalamon trying to defend Pakistani girl rights to go to school to Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Right, because the Taliban is such a wide-encompassing, large portion of Islam.
 
I would love to see Dalamon trying to defend Pakistani girl rights to go to school to Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

It doesn't have to start out in a hostile situation like that. Of course it will take time. It'll have to start in small groups, etc.

You'll have to plan it.

Of course it won't be easy, but given the magnitude of the issue, it was never going to be easy.
 
Wow.. that's really great bro. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for.


What you said about "READ" is very important. It also lead to someone being able to "think". And if you think about it hard enough, one would realize that whoever created this earth & universe, created it with "Love" in mind. Why? Because that's the only way we can be happy and live without suffering. Love is truth.


Somebody needs to take this message of the Koran, and go out there and preach it to the "extremists" and show them that there is a better way.


If Christians can travel all over the world to Africa, etc, and convert them to Christianity. I do believe that Muslims can also reach out to their own people, the extremists more specifically, and show them a new way of looking at things.

1. My advice would be, just read the Coran. My mum forced me to read the Bible and my dad the Coran. That's the only way to have an objective opinion about something: go back to the roots.

2. Extremists are no real Muslims in the view of the majority of Muslims (who, by the way, are moderate). They just use 'Islam' in a wrong way for their own might, power and own interests. Many of them are not well educated. They try to control the folk. A stupid folk is quite easy to influence. Islam only allows to protect yourself and you are not allowed to kill innocent people. Even in a war, you are not allowed to kill old people, women, children and handicaped people. If you wear a bomb and push the button and you die, you will go to hell according to Coran. It is the same as it is in the bible: you are not allowed to kill yourself.

If totalitarian theocracies preach 'the Islam', it's not the real Islam. It's an instrument to dominate your repressed folk. They change the Islam as much as it helps them holding their position and might in the country. The manipulated Islam is their aid...
 
I would love to see Dalamon trying to defend Pakistani girl rights to go to school to Taliban in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

I would love to see you protect Jews next to Hitler. This would mean you get killed or tortured.

A real question: What is your education?
 
A real question: What is your education?

I have Doctor's degree and Master of Science as well. Had offer for residency and PhD but declined as it was more important at that time to work and provide for my family. Why you asking? What difference it would make if I had no education at all?
 
Do you realize that the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad was an educated merchant!!!! YOU are the hypocrite.

And his wife nr.11 was 9 year old girl Aisha. Trust me, I read about life of Muhammad. I especially remember his role in Qurayza massacre. Maybe you can educate some fellows about it here?
 
And his wife nr.11 was 9 year old girl Aisha. Trust me, I read about life of Muhammad. I especially remember his role in Qurayza massacre. Maybe you can educate some fellows about it here?

Do you ever stick to a single point? Or do you simply respond to people's posts with more attacks? The discussion was about education-- I utterly disassembled your argument, and now you waste my time with other nonsense.

PS: I couldn't give two ****s what your credentials are-- especially seeing as you easily could have paid off hilariously-corrupt Lithuanians 500€ for falsified diplomas.
 
There is big difference when we talking genocide and simple women rights for education.

That's not what I mean. I was talking about protecting the rights of people next to radical extremists (A leader like Hitler or Terrorists) means putting your life in a dangerous position.
 
That's not what I mean. I was talking about protecting the rights of people next to radical extremists (A leader like Hitler or Terrorists) means putting your life in a dangerous position.

You cannot reason with bigots. AKMVP will never budge on a single point, no matter how ridiculous, you're wasting your time trying.

This argument will only end once you concede that it is possible to generalize to an incredibly diverse population exceeding a billion from the relatively small handful of zealot extremists within that population.
 
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