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dalamon said:
In all honesty, every member from the 2001-2002 Kings teams gets tremendous respect from me, especially Bibby Divac and Webber for being unnaturally proffesional in probably the worst officiated series in NBA history. I almost wanted the Heat to win this year, just because of him
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Video does not support your contention of this being the worst officiated series in history. I though you were being sarcastic at first. Heck, they showed Shaq fouling out in a game. How many times did Shaq bulldoze over people all game long and NOT foul out? Weber, Christie, Bibby, Divac got a lot of calls and were hall of fame floppers, so I'd bet they were treated better than a lot of other teams against LA.
The refs probably saw the 25 free throw quarter as a makeup quarter.
 
I would consider one series of the Kings versus the Jazz as a contender for worst officiated series of all time. It may have 2002. It was around there. ALL the calls were biased for the Kings, it was ridiculous.
 
The Jazz lost to the Kings in the first round in 2002 and 2003.
The Kings got all the calls, as the Jazz had a rep for dirty play and flopping, enabling the Kings to get more calls, and get away with copious flopping and dirty play. This was the end of the careers of Stockton and Malone in Utah.

Freaking Christie, Weber and Divacs. Talk about flopping and dirty play, they were among the worst, much worse than Stockton and Malone.
 
I did like Bibby, and their backup guard was very good too, but those 2 and Christie got away with a lot against Utah.
 
northeast said:
The _____ got all the calls, as the Jazz had a rep for dirty play and flopping, enabling the _____ to get more calls, and get away with copious flopping and dirty play.
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Do you have anything else to say? At all? Do you want to start a (nother) thread about it?
 
northeast said:
Video does not support your contention of this being the worst officiated series in history. I though you were being sarcastic at first. Heck, they showed Shaq fouling out in a game. How many times did Shaq bulldoze over people all game long and NOT foul out? Weber, Christie, Bibby, Divac got a lot of calls and were hall of fame floppers, so I'd bet they were treated better than a lot of other teams against LA.
The refs probably saw the 25 free throw quarter as a makeup quarter.
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First off, I chose this video cuz it has a pretty cool segment of Bibby emerging when the Team was in tatters form poor officiating. Secondly, there are sports journalists all over the world who have covered hundreds of more playoff series than you have, and they majorly tend to agree with my assessment of this series as one of the greatest Sprts Robberies of alltime. Thirdly, if you watched any of the other clips from the games that the Kings lost by a point or two, you would see countless fouls on Divac and Pollard that were really offensive fouls by Shaq; again, do some research, watch all 8 or 9 videos when you have time. and Lastly, no they didnt, seeing as the Kings got ****ty officiating all series long, with exception of Shaw fouling out in this game. Dalamon out.
 
Kenyon Martin
JR Smith
Dahntay Jones
Tim Duncan (that face he makes after every foul call)
Tony Parker
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Chris Paul
 
northeast said:
Joe, I hate to go against you and take Lakersslapper's side, but why is it fairminded and logical to love Akeem when video shows that he was a dirty player that punched people in the face, along with getting away with 20 travels a game? You are the one showing dumb fanaticism in this instance.
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Huh? How can you be against me and for Lakersslapper when I'm on Lakersslapper's side. I thought his two diametrically opposed posts were hysterical. The reason I love sports is fanaticism and Lakersslapper is obviously full of it.
 
dalamon said:
First off, I chose this video cuz it has a pretty cool segment of Bibby emerging when the Team was in tatters form poor officiating. Secondly, there are sports journalists all over the world who have covered hundreds of more playoff series than you have, and they majorly tend to agree with my assessment of this series as one of the greatest Sprts Robberies of alltime. Thirdly, if you watched any of the other clips from the games that the Kings lost by a point or two, you would see countless fouls on Divac and Pollard that were really offensive fouls by Shaq; again, do some research, watch all 8 or 9 videos when you have time. and Lastly, no they didnt, seeing as the Kings got ****ty officiating all series long, with exception of Shaw fouling out in this game. Dalamon out.
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A few points.
#1. The consensus is stupid, it doesn't mean anything.
#2. Sports journalists are stupid, their consensus means even less.
#3 Sports journalists , for the most part , HAVE to be very biased, otherwise they are not allowed to be journalists.
#3. Shaq got those calls against EVERY team.
#4. Shaq fouled out of a game. This is a fact, which trumps all of your opinions, and this fact is completely ignored by you. Now you tell me Shaw fouled out of a game too? Couldn't have been that lopsided! These are facts, not opinions, man!
#5. The "greatest sports robberies of all time" again, is referring more to the one quarter than the whole series.
I maintain my contention that this one quarter was a make up quarter, mostly for earlier calls that the Kings got by dirty play or flopping.
#6. I have never seen this poll of sports journalists you speak of, I think you are making it up. Even so, I have never seen the slightest inclination of journalists to make any sort of objective study of officiating to make any sort of statement you attest to. If any of them made such a statement, it was an off the cuff comment made in the heat of the moment. They seem oblivious to bad officiating 90 % of the time, so there are certainly hundreds of other examples of badly officiated series that they just are not taking into account.
#7. Poorly officiated does NOT mean lopsided. Yes, there were a lot of calls in this series that fans and journalists questioned. When you have two team that are used to flopping, and playing dirty constantly, and getting favoritism from the refs all season long going up against each other, it is going to be a difficult series to ref, and there are going to be a lot of call that fans disagree with no matter what.
#8. Sometimes when there are a lot of fouls called, there were a lot of fouls.
#9. Sometimes when one team shoots more free throws, it is because other team fouled more. Just because there are a lot of fouls called does not mean that the fouls should not have been called.
#10 Many times fans think a call was a bad call when it was a correct call.
#11 Many times journalists think a call was a bad call when it was a correct call.

Was this a strange series? Yes.
Was it the greatest robbery of all time? Absolutely not.
Again, you need look no farther than the Kings Series against the Jazz in the same to year to find a much more lopsided robbery.
However, the press loved Weber and Christie and Bibby and Divac and Jackson.\
and so did the refs.
just not more than the Lakers.
 
northeast said:
A few points.
#1. The consensus is stupid, it doesn't mean anything.
#2. Sports journalists are stupid, their consensus means even less.
#3 Sports journalists , for the most part , HAVE to be very biased, otherwise they are not allowed to be journalists.
#3. Shaq got those calls against EVERY team.
#4. Shaq fouled out of a game. This is a fact, which trumps all of your opinions, and this fact is completely ignored by you. Now you tell me Shaw fouled out of a game too? Couldn't have been that lopsided! These are facts, not opinions, man!
#5. The "greatest sports robberies of all time" again, is referring more to the one quarter than the whole series.
I maintain my contention that this one quarter was a make up quarter, mostly for earlier calls that the Kings got by dirty play or flopping.
#6. I have never seen this poll of sports journalists you speak of, I think you are making it up. Even so, I have never seen the slightest inclination of journalists to make any sort of objective study of officiating to make any sort of statement you attest to. If any of them made such a statement, it was an off the cuff comment made in the heat of the moment. They seem oblivious to bad officiating 90 % of the time, so there are certainly hundreds of other examples of badly officiated series that they just are not taking into account.
#7. Poorly officiated does NOT mean lopsided. Yes, there were a lot of calls in this series that fans and journalists questioned. When you have two team that are used to flopping, and playing dirty constantly, and getting favoritism from the refs all season long going up against each other, it is going to be a difficult series to ref, and there are going to be a lot of call that fans disagree with no matter what.
#8. Sometimes when there are a lot of fouls called, there were a lot of fouls.
#9. Sometimes when one team shoots more free throws, it is because other team fouled more. Just because there are a lot of fouls called does not mean that the fouls should not have been called.
#10 Many times fans think a call was a bad call when it was a correct call.
#11 Many times journalists think a call was a bad call when it was a correct call.

Was this a strange series? Yes.
Was it the greatest robbery of all time? Absolutely not.
Again, you need look no farther than the Kings Series against the Jazz in the same to year to find a much more lopsided robbery.
However, the press loved Weber and Christie and Bibby and Divac and Jackson.\
and so did the refs.
just not more than the Lakers.
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1 )Consensus of sport journalists? Oh sorry, you must be much smarter and/or qualified to do their job better than they do it.
2) Lol
3) Really? My friend is a journalist, and any sort of bias that shows up in a non-opinionated article that showed up in any of his works was either a fail, or failed to be published once he finished school. Were not talking abotu journalists who give their political opinions on current events in the Herald, were talking sports journalists whos job is to be unbiased. Sorry, you're wrong.
4) Okay? Even in the instance where the team against shaq was up a game going into game 6? No other team came close of stopping shaq in his in the first few years of the 2000s except for the Kings, who shoulodve put him away. The contest of the calls he got were MUCH different than every other game he had gotten them before.
5) Lol a make-up quarter?? How about you watch the damn series before you make a judgement. In fact, Im sure that even after you watch the series youll still disagree with me despite the fact that I myself along with the majority of NBA journalists agree to the same conclusion, simply for the sake of winning an argument. I do not understand how you can make these inferences, or any of these posts if you havent watched any of the games.
6) Go to the video I posted, on the 7:15 minute mark. Other writers like Bill Simmons also had very similar comments. Do some research, im not gonna spoonfeed you links.
7) Again, watch the ****ing series before you make a stupid-*** claim like that. How can you possibly make a guess like that? Blows my mind
8)???
9) lol
10) watch the series
11) watch the series.

One thought you should be left with: If you check the NBA play-by-play stat sheet of 4th quarter of this game it reads that the Kings made 10 Field Goals in the 4th quarter, while Lakers made 4 FGs.....and only ONE field goal in the final 6:30 of the game.


Regardless, I think you get the jist of my post
 
I did watch the series. Also, I reviewed the first half tonight of game 1 just now, and researched a bit of what was written about the series.
In game one, the Lakers played better, while the Kings were flopping , playing dirty, getting MORE calls in their favor, while working the crowd into a frenzy complaining vehemently about correct calls. I can show you specific examples in the thread in the general nba forum. I'd be happy to review the entire series.

This was nowhere close to being the most lopsided ref'd series in history. If anything, the Kings were getting more calls in their favor, not less, at least up until the end of game 6.
 
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northeast said:
I did watch the series.
Since I don't remember it perfectly, i reviewed the first half tonight of game 1 just now.
The Lakers were kicking the Kings *** fair and square.
The Kings were flopping , playing dirty, and getting more calls in their favor, while working the crowd into a frenzy complaining vehemently about correct calls.
If you want to review the games, I can show you specific examples in the thread in the general forum.
I'd be happy to review the entire series.
Based on game 1, I can guarantee that this was no where close to being the most lopsided ref'd series in history, although I can understand why some sportswriter might say it was.
I stand by all my points. you are simply incorrect regarding media bias.
One lopsided game does not make a lopsided series.
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Always judge a series by the first game? PS youre post is completely contradicting itself, with you judging the tone of the series of of one game, and then saying that one shouldnt judge the series off of one miscalled game

I refuse to argue with you any longer.
 
No i am not contradicting myself, because of what the topic of discussion is.
You are arguing that this was the worst lopsided ref robbery in series history. I think that if a team is already getting an advantage in game one, you can safely say that they did not get the worst hosing in history, regardless of what happens in the rest of the series.

I have already reviewed the tape and it is clear to me that if anything the Kings had the advantage in game one, not disadvantage.
I'm not saying that the Kings were not screwed at all, just that they weren't screwed worse than any other team ever.

Furthermore, I'm pretty confident based on the first game, that a fair review of the series will show that there was commentator and fan bias from people rooting for the Kings, partly because the Kings were so good at flopping, and partly because they argued so much that they got people thinking they must be getting hosed when they weren't. I suspect that the refs either resented this , or saw that the Kings had won some games they didn't deserve to, and did hose them for one quarter, but I'd have to review that to verify.
I think it is self-evident that there are many instances of teams being hosed by the refs for an entire series, not just one or 2 games.
For examples, You have to go no farther than just about any other series with Shaq in his prime, or the Jazz Kings series of the same year.
 
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dalamon, YOU should watch the series. I challenge you to look at some of the first five games and take note of which team got more calls with flopping, dirty play, and crying to the refs.
 
I don't hate them at all, in fact I enjoyed watching them, but upon review, I think that the 2001 - 2003 Kings flopped and cried to the refs more than any other team I history, and got an unfair advantage from this.
I'm talking about Weber, Christie, Divacs, Bibby, and Jackson.
 
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I do not hate anybody but I do dislike some players more for their character and stupidity then for what they are doing on court. Used to dislike Dirk but after these years finals I feel respect for him as for the best player in Europe's basketball history ( sorry Sabonis, Dirk is better)
In no particular order: Lebron, Boozer, D.Williams, Carmelo, A.Varejao, Delonte West, Jermaine O'Neal, S.Jackson, K.Brown, A.Bynum, R.Lewis. From those who are not playing anymore - mister "I need family to feed so 7mil/year contract is insulting" L.Sprewell easily tops the list.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Gotta give you props for the ability to post two such diametrically opposite opinions in the span of eight minutes. Only a true fan could recover from a moment of logical and fair minded sportsmanship so quickly. It warms my heart to see fanaticism at this level. Nicely done!
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Hmmm, Thank You? .... Back to world of warcraft you go! MAKE US PROUD!!
 
Yeah I don't hate anyone either but tops on my list of strong disliking is-

Jerry Stackhouse. He beat up Jeff Hornacek for Pete's sake- Jeff Hornacek! I mean wtf? And he still brags about it to this day when asked about it.
 
To be clear, they did not have a fight. "Beat up" is a little misleading. Jeff was running the baseline and Stackhouse punched him in the face hard with no warning. Its not like they were pushing each other and it led to a fight, it just came out of nowhere. and now this psycho ahole is a freaking broadcaster now on NBA tv , wtf!

Similar with Weber. He was also a cheating dirty psycho, but at least I never saw him haul off and punch somebody in the face without warning like Stackhouse. However, I still think its sad that this jerk gets to be a talking head on TV.
 
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