Most Likely Amnesty Clauses: Mehmet Okur
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Bell would be my #1 choice. Yes, Memo has a huge contract this year, but I actually like the dude. I can't stand Raja.
Ellipse
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What you are missing is the amnesia everyone is suffering from. You remember that $17 million went off the books when AK's contract expired, everyone else seems to have forgotten that.
Chad Feldheimer
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But if they amnesty Memo, they would have room to sign a couple more Raja Bells
Ellipse
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The last thing the Jazz want to do right now is repeat the mistake they made with AK -- constraining their payroll so that they have to let players walk away. If they amnestied Okur just so they can sign a $7-$9 million free agent, then they will be forced to shed salary over the next three years to re-sign Hayward and Favors. Sure, Bell would be gone, but his salary won't be enough to re-sign both of them. So who else is going to walk? Millsap? Jefferson? Or do we let Favors or Hayward go? And how do we re-sign Kanter and Burks the following year?
Using the amnesty on Bell is the only move that makes any sense, because it frees up playing time for Burks and Hayward, and Bell has little value in a trade. But I think the Jazz value Bell's locker room presense too much to send him packing. (I hope I'm wrong!)
Using the amnesty on Bell is the only move that makes any sense, because it frees up playing time for Burks and Hayward, and Bell has little value in a trade. But I think the Jazz value Bell's locker room presense too much to send him packing. (I hope I'm wrong!)
candrew
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Both Harris and Jefferson will be gone by the time Favors and Hayward reach their Q/O years. That will be more than enough cap room to re-sign both of them.
I'd like to see Kanter and Burks play a game before I worry about re-signing them.
I seriously doubt The Jazz would have re-signed Bell if it wasn't for Jerry Sloan. With Sloan gone I see no point in retaining him. And other than jumping ship (for the second time) when things went bad I'm not sure what presence you're referring to.
I'd rather not sign anyone of notability. Just get Watson and a Dleague player. I would rather give the young guns time and suck, then get some veterans and be mediocre.
InGameStrategy
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I am looking forward to seeing how the coaching staff continues to lead following the era of favoring the appearance of hard work and character over actual on-court performance and potential.
Lion's Roar
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I don't know if this as been said. But it's in the Jazz's best interest to trade Okur so he can be amnestied by another team. Say for instance that the Jazz trade Okur for Hayword. Dallas waives Okur and pays him $9M instead of the money they own to Haywood and they get space to sign Chandler. The Jazz get a player they may want and keep him and amesty someone else like Raja Bell, for instance.
I haven't put much thought into this and I probably wouldn't want Haywood with the clutter the Jazz have in the frontcourt. But it was an example I thought of to express how trading Okur might be better than amnestying him out right.
I haven't put much thought into this and I probably wouldn't want Haywood with the clutter the Jazz have in the frontcourt. But it was an example I thought of to express how trading Okur might be better than amnestying him out right.
Lion's Roar
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I checked Haywood's contract and I wouldn't do that trade. But the principle stands.
Why wouldn't Dallas just amnesty Haywood? And yeah, I want no part of Haywood.
Lion's Roar
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If they amnesty Haywood they have to pay him $40M or so. If they got Okur and amnesty him they would get the same cap space but would only have to pay $10M. So financially it would make sense. The Jazz would do the trade for competitive purposes taking the finacial hit to add a player they thought would help them out.
Do you have to pay their entire contact off? I thought you only had to pay that year's salary off. Some player's might be rolling cash if they get amnestied.
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Chad Feldheimer
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freakazoid
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NotDeadYet
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After sleepin' on this, I now realize some of you are thinkin' like a GM, where $$ is as important as talent, while others see things as a COACH, where $$ is somebody else's issue, I just need to WIN with the guys on the roster. Looking at it as a COACH, it's hard to ignore Kirilenko, who is still a good defender with his length. Can't coach that, I'm afraid, so I'd make him and Watson priorities.
And dump Bell with the amnesty thing, who really didn't help us offensively or defensively, and is totally replaceable with Hayward, Burks, and CJ, who I understand was asked to work on his SG skills in the offseason. Okur, and as a COACH I could care less how much $$ he's making, can still put up points in bunches, so I'd keep him too. Burks should be able to play as a 3rd PG if we don't bring in a D-leaguer.
PG - Harris, Watson, Burks
SG - Hayward, Burks, Miles
SF - Kirilenko, Millsap, CJ, Evans, Hayward
PF - Millsap, Favors, Evans, Kirilenko
C - Jefferson, Favors, Okur, Kanter
And dump Bell with the amnesty thing, who really didn't help us offensively or defensively, and is totally replaceable with Hayward, Burks, and CJ, who I understand was asked to work on his SG skills in the offseason. Okur, and as a COACH I could care less how much $$ he's making, can still put up points in bunches, so I'd keep him too. Burks should be able to play as a 3rd PG if we don't bring in a D-leaguer.
PG - Harris, Watson, Burks
SG - Hayward, Burks, Miles
SF - Kirilenko, Millsap, CJ, Evans, Hayward
PF - Millsap, Favors, Evans, Kirilenko
C - Jefferson, Favors, Okur, Kanter
InGameStrategy
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It's too bad that neither our former COACH nor GM realized that Okur is (and was two years ago) and aging Eurocenter who was good at the three and tried hard (for someone who was playing in slow motion) but was so-so and rebounding and rather inept at controlling the paint or having a convincing inside game.
With the relative abundance of 4/5 players who possibly can do all of what Memo can do and more (i.e., play on both sides of the court in the same game), except for maybe making it rain, then I hope that this new COACH will realize--even though he is also not a GM--that Okur should play only when he's not hurting the rest of the team, unlike the former COACH, who would grant Okur 20ish or 30ish minutes per night no matter what his performance was.
Gyp Rosetti
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We get it.