seattlejazzfan
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I think the only reason Utah to the PAC hasn't already been announced is that the PAC is waiting for Texas to make a decision. Texas says no, Utah is in.
MWC decides not to expand
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Duck Rodgers
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I prefer the Utah/Pac 10 getting screwed scenario myself. Colorado and Oklahoma State to the Pac 10, BYU and Air Force/(or)TCU to the Big 12.
Despite what that powerhouse of sports TNZ.com reports though, I really don't think Oklahoma State would risk moving before Oklahoma or Texas.
seattlejazzfan
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No question - that would be great.
Yep. Everything hinges on what Texas decides to do.
Stifle Tower
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BCS money is just too important to ignore. The emergence of TCU - and continued success of Utah and BYU - was really forcing the hand of the BCS. Even though there might be a fear that BSU becomes another Rice or UTEP in 5-10 years, the fact that their record over the past three years has to be included in the next review of the MWC makes an invite a no-brainer. The MWC will get an automatic berth, regardless of what happens now to the Big-12.
Change is inevitable. Pac-8, Big-8, Big-10, SWC, WAC, SEC. Those are the conferences I remember as a boy. All of them are significantly different (or gone). I think we'll see the evolution into maybe 4, 16-team super conferences with 2-divisions each. This sets up a pretty good play-off system (without really calling it a playoff). Division winners play each other, leaving a top 8. That sets up 4 big bowl games. Give those to the 2nd-tier bowls. Then you have the Rose, Orange and Fiesta rotate the semifinals and National Championship game. That still leaves some mid-majors or independents on the outside looking in. Maybe play-in game(s) for any undefeated teams is used to fill a possible playoff spot.
Of course, 4 major conference won't happen overnight. But the SWC is already gone. Next up is the Big 12. Remnants will go to the PAC-13 or 16 (whatever it ends up as), maybe some additonal teams to a newly-named MWC. And RIP, WAC. You are now dead in the water as a relevant conference.
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Duck Rodgers
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That's the hope, right? However, is there anything that is going to prevent them from re-writing the rules now? Because obviously they are going to have reason to if massive movement takes place. Even if we do get one auto bid, isn't the question now.....how do we get 2?
gregbroncs
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they will rewrite the rules just to keep out so called inferior conferences. You can bet on it. The only question is will BYU and/or Utah be on the other side of debate or will they still be the ones getting screwed?
I don't like this move unless it's a precursor to some of the big boys in the conference moving on up.
seattlejazzfan
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A fairly likely scenario, which would be best case for utah and worst case for BYU, would be aTm to the SEC, Texas, TTech, Ok St, and OU to the PAC - leaving the PAC with 15 teams and needing one more (utah), while basically dissolving the Big 12 and leaving BYU with no place to go.
Archie Moses
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They decided not to expand, because they didn't have a time line, which was a smart move. Less than a week later a chain reaction of things happen like Colorado joining the PAC10 and the BIG schools probably won't now, at least to the PAC 10. Maybe Nebraska to the BIG 10 and that's about it. I bet the MWC paniced about the possibility of losing Utah and decided to get Boise St to persuade Utah to stay in the conference. I don't have a problem with it at all.
Duck Rodgers
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No on that one. Utah is gone if the Pac 10 offer is there, as they should be. I don't think the MWC is that stupid that they think adding Boise State would overcome being in the same conference as USC and Texas.
That seems to be it. So....Ute fans....your fate is in aTm's hands. Although the Pac 10 could always take one of the Big 12 leftovers before you so there still is some competition there, but I do think Utah wins that battle based on proximity.
seattlejazzfan
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With regard to the scenario I mentioned above, it's looking like it would be between Kansas and Utah (but would KU split with KSU?) to be that last team in, with the only thing making it not happen would be if Texas demands Baylor be invited as the 5th team from the B12. If Texas demands Baylor, the PAC would surely concede.
gregbroncs
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Why would they want Baylor? The only way they choose Baylor over Utah is if it means they can't have Texas without them.
That said I had heard somewhere that Baylor has the same type of problems as BYU with regards to the PAC. Is this true? Are they a religious school? Do they meet the research institution requirement? I can't remember where I heard it.
I'll try and look it up as I know nothing about Baylor other than they were the laughing stock of the BCS conferences.
* they are a religious school. Making it unlikely Cal or Stanford will approve of them.
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seattlejazzfan
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Right. The only way the PAC takes Baylor is if Texas won't go if they don't.
Stifle Tower
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I think the statement was more or less that they had decided not to expand at the present time. MWC was obviously waiting for a few moves to be made. Nebraska and Colorado were the two biggies that prompted the BSU invite to be made. Now the MWC has become a player with 4 top teams - unless Utah goes elsewhere. Opens the door for further expansion if the Big 12 folds. Or, the Big 12 could invite BYU and TCU to replace defectors with Utah leaving for the "PAC-11 and counting."
Gyp Rosetti
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You might want to change the title of this thread.
Boise State just officially joined the MWC.
https://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064
Boise State just officially joined the MWC.
https://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064
Duck Rodgers
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Utah's chances have seem to completely disappear since I last payed attention to expansion a mere 8 hours ago. Looks Kansas or aTm for shizzle. Utah and the Big 12 staying together seem like the ultimate long shots now. This stuff is driving me nuts though. If it wasn't raining like a mother hubber, I would be tempted to go camping right now.
You are officially 11 hours and 2 minutes late to the thread with this news. Read the previous posts!
I think the current board software doesn't allow thread titles to be changed after xx minutes.
So are they now saying they're not expanding again?
What's the point of making that announcement when you only go back on it 4 days later. The words just seem rather hollow.
Gyp Rosetti
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**** you.