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My 2014 Jazz Agenda

Good effort good job.

But if that's our rebuild then we probably should have never blown up the Millsap/Jefferson core to begin with.
 
Good effort good job.

But if that's our rebuild then we probably should have never blown up the Millsap/Jefferson core to begin with.

I disagree.

Entertainment is important imo.

That jefferson team was boring
 
I'm very curious what you guys want to do. There's a lot of talk that people would like to trade up or trade for a young vet with promising potential. I can only think of two players like that. Ross and afflalo. Anyone else?
 
where is cj miles?

also, i would be disappointed if dl will not try to sign a nice free agent this summer, like parsons or bledsoe
 
If Utah think Parker or Wiggins will be a star ( franchise player) why not gamble? With the # 2 pick you could probably have either one of them. I do agree that Kanter/Burks will be better then Mayo/Irasolva, if Mayo has 2 years left at 8 mill, per year and Irasolva is 7.9 million over 2 years, with t/o for 8.4 the year after. What will Burks/Kanter get? Delfino would be a salary dump and I think Bucks might want to keep Saunders and see what a Kanter/Saunders front court might do.

Irasolva

SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'12-'13 MIL 73 54 27.6 5.1-11.0 .462 1.3-2.9 .444 1.7-2.2 .796 2.1 5.0 7.1 1.6 0.5 0.9 2.5 1.0 13.2

Mayo
'12-'13 DAL 82 82 35.5 5.6-12.5 .449 1.7-4.3 .407 2.3-2.8 .820 0.4 3.1 3.5 4.4 0.3 1.1 2.4 2.6 15.3

With a proper coach, I don't hate it at all. If Wiggin / Parker turn out to be All- Stars, Utah got a steal! Also, I think this is the year the Jazz do something big. They need a face for the franchise and as much as I like Burks/Kanter. Sadly, I think there the players, that get that done for the Jazz.

Also, you talk about how much money the Jazz will take on. I personally think, it will be less then what the Jazz would be paying Kanter/Burks/Pick next year. Especially with luxury tax 73+ million. Anyways I just want a fun Jazz team to watch!
 
If Utah think Parker or Wiggins will be a star ( franchise player) why not gamble? With the # 2 pick you could probably have either one of them. I do agree that Kanter/Burks will be better then Mayo/Irasolva, if Mayo has 2 years left at 8 mill, per year and Irasolva is 7.9 million over 2 years, with t/o for 8.4 the year after. What will Burks/Kanter get? Delfino would be a salary dump and I think Bucks might want to keep Saunders and see what a Kanter/Saunders front court might do.

Irasolva

SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'12-'13 MIL 73 54 27.6 5.1-11.0 .462 1.3-2.9 .444 1.7-2.2 .796 2.1 5.0 7.1 1.6 0.5 0.9 2.5 1.0 13.2

Mayo
'12-'13 DAL 82 82 35.5 5.6-12.5 .449 1.7-4.3 .407 2.3-2.8 .820 0.4 3.1 3.5 4.4 0.3 1.1 2.4 2.6 15.3

With a proper coach, I don't hate it at all. If Wiggin / Parker turn out to be All- Stars, Utah got a steal! Also, I think this is the year the Jazz do something big. They need a face for the franchise and as much as I like Burks/Kanter. Sadly, I think there the players, that get that done for the Jazz.

Also, you talk about how much money the Jazz will take on. I personally think, it will be less then what the Jazz would be paying Kanter/Burks/Pick next year. Especially with luxury tax 73+ million. Anyways I just want a fun Jazz team to watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=payDsNKcRKQ
 
where is cj miles?

also, i would be disappointed if dl will not try to sign a nice free agent this summer, like parsons or bledsoe

I probably should have said for DL to try to get other FA. Those two are restricted and their teams have said that are keeping them (pretty much). So you'd have to really over pay for them.
 
I'd rather trade 5, 23, 35 kanter and burks for irasolva, mayo, delfino and the 2nd pick. Salary dump for the bucks, while adding some young solid players & have some solid picks. Jazz get a chance at Wiggins or Parker and yes add salary. But add some much needed shooting.

Burke / f.a.
Hayward / Mayo
Parker / delfino
Irasolva / f.a.
Favors / gobert

And for fun, I'd throw a max at Monroe. But mainly, I'd be excited to have our star player in Wiggins or Parker

That trade would pretty much guarantee us another top 5 draft pick next year. I should live so long as to see the end of the Jazz rebuild.
 
So pretty much you guys want the young guys to start and if we do get a vet have him be a solid back up role player? Otherwise trade up in the draft and keep the picks we'll get.
 
So pretty much you guys want the young guys to start and if we do get a vet have him be a solid back up role player? Otherwise trade up in the draft and keep the picks we'll get.
That sounds about right. Maybe make a small move here or there, but use this year to evaluate the young guys in Snyder's system and figure out what pieces we have moving forward. By adding a new coach, a bench and playing some damn defense they should easily improve their record over last year's effort.

The big question is going to be who they draft this year and if they can build around that player(s). Now that they have the coach in place that they want, they need to get the talent that he needs to succeed. This draft is going to be a great place to make that happen (even if they can't trade up into the top 3.)

I also think that this is going to be another good year to take on salary for assets. Next year, they have to fill the roster with core players moving forward. They proved last year that they're willing to make a move like that. I think that using the cap space to extend Hayward, Burks and Kanter and then taking back some trash for picks is going to be worth more in the long run than adding a high-priced vet in free agency quite yet.
 
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Decided to try my hand at this little exercise. A lot of my assumptions of where guys will be available in the draft were formed by averaging their mock draft position from 7 different mock drafts.

I broke my plan up into four key steps - A. Coaching Staff, B. Before the draft, C. 2014 Draft and D.) Free Agency.

A. Coaching Staff - The first step to building this team is to get the right coaching staff to develop a young, but talented roster. As I understand it, the plan is to keep both Brad Jones and Alex Jensen as two of the top 3 assistants. I'm fine with that. Jones can help with offense, Jensen with defense. My key addition to the coaching staff would then be to hire Chip Engelland from San Antonio. I'm assuming that it will take a very nice offer and a big promotion to lure Engelland away from San Antonio and keep him from going to Golden State. I absolutely think that it's critical to get a guy like him who can help improve shooting across the whole roster. I'd keep Johnnie Bryant as one player development coach and try to hire Darvin Ham as the other. Besides those moves, I'd probably expand Karl Malone's role with the Big Men and then also officially hire him and John Stockton as Coaching Consultants to help teach these young kids the nuances of P&R.

B. Before the draft - I'd maximize the team's cap space this offseason by trading JLIII to the Houston Rockets for Jeremy Lin and their #25 selection. The Rockets want to get another big star to team up with Harden and Howard, while still being able to keep Parsons and Beverly. That means that they have to unload both of their huge contracts for Asik and Lin. Since Asik is a quality big man, it should be easier for them to trade him and get something back for doing so. Getting rid of Jeremy Lin's $14+ million contract ($8.3 million cap hit) is not going to be as easy. They'll have to kick in a decent asset to get it done, and it makes sense if that asset is their first round pick from this year because it frees up even more immediate cap space. The Jazz can use the asset to be aggressive trading up in the draft and Jeremy Lin is actually a very good fit for what Quin Snyder wants to do. He plays at a higher pace than Trey Burke and he's actually quite good in the P&R. If it pans out, the team has a chance to extend him next offseason - he's still young enough to possibly figure into the their long-term plans. If it doesn't work out, he backs up Burke and then moves on next offseason freeing up that cap space for 2015. I'd also buy out Ante Tomic before the draft and bring him and Raul Neto over to add to the team's depth. I'm expecting that getting Tomic to come over would cost around $4-5 million per year for his 3 year contract - depending on what the buyout ends up being. Details on that are a little sketchy.

C. 2014 Draft - In this scenario, the Jazz have the #5, #23, #25 and #35 picks in the draft. If I can't move up into the top 3, I want to try and get at least 3 good prospects to improve my depth. I'm holding out hope for trading up into the top 3 for either Wiggins or Parker, but I just don't think that Cleveland, Milwaukee or Philly will trade out of that top tier of players. I'm expecting Orlando to take either Exum or Smart, so my first pick is going to be SF: Aaron Gordon (Arizona). He can step into the SF spot right away and contribute on defense, in transition and in attacking the rim. After taking Gordon, I keep working the phones to package #23 and #25 to move up for SG: Zach LaVine. He's got athleticism and a lot of hype right now, but I think that there's enough holes to his game that he slips a bit past the lottery. With their last pick, the Jazz trade the #35 pick, a future 2nd round pick and cash to move up for SF: K. J. McDaniels (Clemson). He's another athletic guy with a strong defensive game. IMO, he's DeMarre Carroll-Lite. The Jazz need perimeter defense, heart and hustle off the bench. I think that he'd fill that role very well. With the new draft and develop philosophy that the Jazz are employing, they're banking on the fact that their new coaches (especially Chip Engelland) can take super-athletic guys like Gordon, LaVine and McDaniels and get the most out of them. At the very least, the Jazz have greatly improved their defensive capabilities. I like the idea of Aaron Gordon and K. J. McDaniels both out on the floor when they absolutely must get a stop.

Aaron Gordon (10 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 6 - 6 - 6) Average mock draft position = 7.4
Zach LaVine (17 - 9 - 24 - 18 - 19 - 17 - 17) Average mock draft position = 17.3
K. J. McDaniels (26 - 31 - 23 - 32 - 22 - 23 - 21) Average mock draft position = 25.4

D. Free Agency - This is where I'll probably run into the most contention. I'm a fan of the young guys on the roster and I think that they should all be kept and given a real chance to develop into the players they were drafted to become. My main focus would be on extending (or matching) Gordon Hayward's deal and also getting Alec Burks and Enes Kanter signed to extensions before their RFA seasons. I think that there's a good chance that both guys will take a big step forward next year, and I'd prefer to lock them up at a favorable rate. I'd renounce the rights on all of the team's free agents and pass on resigning Marvin Williams. I'd avoid going out and spending valuable cap space on any other veteran free agents as well. I think that I'd prefer to let all of the remaining young players on the Jazz roster battle it out for the last few spots and a trip to Idaho for some D-League playing time.

Consider it this way. . .

Players who will be back from last year are - (1) Derrick Favors, (2) Enes Kanter, (3) Gordon Hayward, (4) Alec Burks, (5) Trey Burke, (6) Rudy Gobert and (7) Jeremy Evans. They'll be adding (8) Aaron Gordon, (9) Jeremy Lin, (10) Ante Tomic, (11) Zach LaVine, (12) K. J. McDaniels and (13) Raul Neto to replace Marvin Williams, Richard Jefferson, John Lucas III, Andris Biedrins and Brandon Rush. Plus, they have two left-over roster spots (14/15) for guys like Diante Garrett, Malcolm Thomas, Erik Murphy, Ian Clark and any summer guys or undrafted free agents to battle it out for. Between McDaniels, Neto, and whoever the last two guys are, they should always have two players up in Idaho getting quality D-League minutes.

2014 Roster:
5/4 - Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter, Ante Tomic, Rudy Gobert and Jeremy Evans
3/2/1 - Aaron Gordon, Gordon Hayward, Alec Burks, Jeremy Lin, Trey Burke, Zach LaVine, K. J. McDaniels, and Raul Neto
plus two more from - Diante Garrett, Malcolm Thomas, Erik Murphy, Ian Clark, Summer League, Undrafted Free Agents, etc.


My biggest concern is that, as a team, the quality of shooting isn't where I'd like it to be. My hope is that Quin Snyder and Chip Engelland can really help the Core guys and the new draft picks all improve their shots dramatically. If they can do this, I think that Gordon, Burks, LaVine and Kanter can all become special players down the line. I love the idea of loading up the roster with young, hungry players who are eager to prove themselves. The competition for starting jobs and playing time will be intense. There's also great depth that can be utilized to keep guys healthy and fresh. There's a lot of versatility to this roster to matchup with pretty much any kind of lineup that they can face. I also like that this is an extremely athletic group of players. They can learn to play at a faster pace than they did under Sloan/Corbin - which should lead to them having more fun playing basketball again.
 
I think your post is solid, Ellis, but if we add 5 rookies next season I think we're doing something wrong. That would be an indication that we don't want to make choices.
 
I think your post is solid, Ellis, but if we add 5 rookies next season I think we're doing something wrong. That would be an indication that we don't want to make choices.
I get what you're saying, but I also think that the key for this year should be getting talent onto the roster. The Jazz already have two developing assets in Tomic and Neto. Tomic I don't really see as a true rookie because he'd come in as one of the oldest players on the team. He'll need time to adjust to the NBA game, but I think that this is the year to get him. I could see leaving Neto over there, but his contract is up and he's indicated that he wants to come over. He'd be on a two or three year non-guaranteed contract. It's purely depth and development at that point. I think his development would be better working with Snyder and the Jazz coaching staff.

Considering that they're not going to be contending and that they don't have a true #1 guy; I decided that it would be worth the risk to take a couple of guys who will need major coaching, but have the upside to be special. The Jazz would be a very, very young team. . . but they'd also have a coaching staff in place specifically to develop those guys. Utah is never going to be a top free agency destination. If they're going to get a star, they need to draft them. I'm willing to suffer through the growing pains of such a young roster to give the coaching staff a chance to work with these guys and see who exactly they want to build around moving forward.

The young Core will soon be on their 2nd contracts and will become seasoned veterans by the end of this upcoming season. I'd be perfectly happy with having a very young, but talented bench behind them.

Replacing Marvin Williams with Aaron Gordon, JLIII with Jeremy Lin, Richard Jefferson with Zach LaVine, Andris Beidrins with Ante Tomic and Brandon Rush with K. J. McDaniels should be worth a couple of wins all on it's own. I really, really like the depth of a team like this.
 
Here's what I think we ought to do (assuming we can't move up for Parker):

Match Hayward's contract
Sign Avery Bradley in free agency
Draft Aaron Gordon (I'm being Stockholm'd by the hype)
Trade 23 for veteran help. Nick Collison? Luis Scola? I don't know.

This team needs so many things. My plan would add defense and hustle at the expense of shooting. But it's not lost on me that we also need shooting.

Hopefully Lindsey has something better cooked up than either of our plans.
 
I think it would make it very difficult for Snyder to add 5 or so rookies. If anything we need to sign 3rd role vets like John Lucas who will help out, but probably not play. It's going to be interesting for sure and it's almost impossible to guess what will happen...
 
I like the roster ellis made.
We cant skip steps in this rebuild. Lets stay young and find out who our best youngs are with the new coach.

If we get vets like bradley, scola, hawes, etc..... then it will make us a little better in the short term but not enough to make us contenders and will plant us firmly back on the treadmill of mediocrity.

Stay young and if we suck, then at least we find out that we dont have enough talent and we have lots of young assets to try to trade for some real talent, plus another good draft pick next year.

If the youth movement surprises and we are fighting to make the playoffs then we most likely have a few very talented guys to build around next season..... and more importantly we know WHO those players are. (Unlike right now)
 
Replacing Marvin Williams with Aaron Gordon, JLIII with Jeremy Lin, Richard Jefferson with Zach LaVine, Andris Beidrins with Ante Tomic and Brandon Rush with K. J. McDaniels should be worth a couple of wins all on it's own. I really, really like the depth of a team like this.
yup, this gets us a few more wins.

plus replacing corbin and his staff gets us a few more wins.

plus our core players improving and building chemistry gets us a few more wins.

plus not missing our starting point guard (burke), and a rotation guy (evans) for the first 20 (?) games gets a few more wins. (also kanters injury had an effect on the start of the season)
 
I like the roster ellis made.
We cant skip steps in this rebuild. Lets stay young and find out who our best youngs are with the new coach.

If we get vets like bradley, scola, hawes, etc..... then it will make us a little better in the short term but not enough to make us contenders and will plant us firmly back on the treadmill of mediocrity.

Stay young and if we suck, then at least we find out that we dont have enough talent and we have lots of young assets to try to trade for some real talent, plus another good draft pick next year.

If the youth movement surprises and we are fighting to make the playoffs then we most likely have a few very talented guys to build around next season..... and more importantly we know WHO those players are. (Unlike right now)
This was pretty much the whole point of my plan.

We get the best young talent that we can into the building and then we let Snyder and his staff get to work developing them. All of the Core5 + Gobert have talent and potential. I want to see how they fit with the new draft & develop vision of this team before we give up on them.

I want to get started working with the best two draft and stash assets in Europe while there's cap space, room on the roster and an even shot for guys to earn playing time.

I want to draft swing for the fences prospects and see just how far our developmental coaches can take them. The Jazz aren't going to lure a Max value free agent, but they might be able to develop one.

If the Jazz take on salary for assets again, I want a player who makes sense and might actually have a future with this team. A return to Linsanity would be fun as hell. I lived in New York when that was going on and it was a blast.

I want to get some players onto the roster that are lock down defenders. The Jazz have some guys who have potential, but no specialists like Gordon and McDaniels.

Outside of getting Embiid, Wiggins or Parker, I want to keep our 2015 pick. This should be a learning season for the players and staff. I'm expecting a huge improvement from this team, but that may not necessarily translate to wins like I'm hoping. They can then use that draft pick to acquire a stretch 4, or a clutch shooter.

I want to keep the cap space flexibility that they've rightfully earned to see if they need to really pay one or more of these Core guys down the road.

What I really want most is to create such a fun and competitive environment that guys genuinely enjoy playing in Utah and want to stay. I think that my plan is a step in that direction.
 
I think it would make it very difficult for Snyder to add 5 or so rookies. If anything we need to sign 3rd role vets like John Lucas who will help out, but probably not play. It's going to be interesting for sure and it's almost impossible to guess what will happen...
I hear what you're saying, but I'd rather get the young assets into the building and start working with them. Considered picking another draft and stash type, but ultimately decided that the depth at wing was more valuable. . . and that K. J. McDaniels had too much potential as a perimeter defender to pass him up.

I also think that they're genuinely interested in Neto and Tomic, and this will be the best opportunity to get them over here. Tomic needs to get started on his rookie contract this year or next - otherwise he's never coming. Also, this is the lowest his buyout will ever be. With his passing and touch, he'd make a great pick and roll big to groom. With Biedrins gone, there's also room on the roster to try him out.

5 rookies isn't ideal for the team or Snyder, but it's also not the worst thing in the world either. Adding Gordon, LaVine, McDaniels and Tomic are all huge upgrades from last year. I'd be in favor of leaving Neto over in Europe if I though it wouldn't cost them a fortune to get him later on. His contract is up, so there's no extra cost for a buyout. Bring him over and let him play up in Idaho for the whole season if needed.
 
I think it would make it very difficult for Snyder to add 5 or so rookies. If anything we need to sign 3rd role vets like John Lucas who will help out, but probably not play. It's going to be interesting for sure and it's almost impossible to guess what will happen...
Snyder was a D-League coach who is used to rookies and roster challenges. Unless the Jazz are able to trade for a SIGNIFICANT player, I'm opposed to adding vets on the downside of their careers. And what I mean by "significant" is a player like the Jazz obtained in Boozer, Okur or even Harpring when he first came over (before all the knee problems). Lindsey needs to find a player another team simply can't afford.

I agree with Ellis269 that our current group of 6 needs playing time. And add to that the #5 pick. That's seven players. I don't see much in free agency, which lessens the likelihood of a GS-type deal coming along. But you never know. Some team may want to add a guy like Deng and need to free up cap space. WE can help them for a future 1st. Bring over Tomic or sign Marvin to fill the remaining minutes in the rotation. My guess is Neto stays in Europe for one more season. Jazz want to give Burke another year to "sink or swim." Garrett returns as the #2 PG.

At #23 and #35, I see a few different scenarios: trade up into the the late teens for a solid rotation player or trade out of the 1st for more second-rounders and use them all on draft-and-stash players. Or, as mentioned in the first paragraph, maybe a trade can be worked using those picks as assets.
 
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