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My pro-Boozer stuff was all just an act

Sloanfeld

Sloanfeld

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That's what you all wanted to hear, too bad it wasn't, so STOP SAYING IT. You see, Sloanfidels, I've been reading this site regularly for probably the last six years. I could remember back to Boozer's second season here when people were crapping on the guy and saying that he faked inuries. Some people did have his back at the time. I thought it was ridiculous that he was being treated so unfairly. He came back and led us to the WCF in his third season then everyone loved him. The only knock on him at that time was his defense, which was understandable. Things went smoothly for a little while then you know the rest.

Anyway, the point of this topic is really that the trading of Deron 'coach killer' Williams proved that the Al Jefferson experiment was a failure. He was brought in to replace Boozer and it did not happen. Coach killer had to carry a lot of the load early on, which I said that it was NOT a good thing (remember, Nate505? https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...r-in-free-agency&p=88759&viewfull=1#post88759 ) Look what happened with Rose. He had to do too much and it didn't work. Replace him with Deron Williams on that team and the series becomes much closer. Deron could actually finish down the stretch too.

As I was saying, with the trading of coach killer, the Al Jefferson replacement for Boozer experiment was dubbed a failure. Boozer was clearly the better second option so I win the argument. Not only that, there were stretches where Boozer was the first option. The first half of his last season here comes to mind, as does 06-07. That never happened with Jefferson when we still had coach killer. I'm not saying that Jefferson isn't a better main option, we've never really had the opportunity to see what Boozer would do for a long stretch without coach killer. That was never really the argument either.

Jazz fans, always trying to make ridiculous arguments like declaring Jefferson a super player because Boozer was injured.

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Great call, The Thriller. How many points did Jefferson average this postseason? You're riduculous statements aren't so funny when they can be used against you, are they? You want more examples? How about when there was talk of signing Al Harrington as Boozers replacement? People said that he would be an upgrade over Boozer. People praise Millsap for playing through injuries but swept Boozer's injuries under the carpet this postseason. He was 100% healthy, right guys? Same old Jazz fans.

People keep knocking Boozer, saying that he's so bad in the playoffs. Really? Averages, people:

2006-2007: 23.5 PPG - 12.2 RPG - 53.6% FG
2008-2009: 20.6 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 52.8% FG
2009-2010: 19.7 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 53.0% FG

Oh by the way, The Thriller, here are Al Jefferson's career playoff averages:

2004-2005 6.1 PPG - 6.4 RPG - 41.5% FG

I know, that's not even fair. That was his rookie year, but that's the kind of stuff The Thriller and company do to me. See, I know that Jefferson would have respectible numbers now, if he could only ever make the playoffs again. :p:p:p

Now, there are some of you who are actually able to form a constructive argument as to why they either thought that letting Boozer go was good or why they think Jefferson is better. The difference between them and the haters is that they go about it in a respectible way and DON'T exaggerate facts while they do it. Boozer does a lot of the intangibles. He finishes better than Al in Transition (and the transition game was a lot better in previous years than this season pre-coach killer trade). He sets better screens, better PnR player, better rebounder, a typical Sloan players. Sloan, he didn't leave under Boozer's watch, that's for sure. To those of you who could actually form a constructive argument without stretching the truth, I respect you and thanks for playing.

So Sloanfidels, I'm right, and with that, the argument rests. There's no point in continuing with this nonsensical bickering all the time. You probably think you're right, even through I just proved you all wrong, but I wouldn't expect anything less from the haters. I may have to step in when the haters are spinning things out of control from time to time (and maybe add a few more thoughts that I can't think of right now, and a topic that I need to bump when I get time), but I don't intend to keep this up next season. Coach killer is not anymore here so there's no point. The Deron/Boozer era beat the crap out of the failure of the Deron/Jefferson experiment. Instead of this nonsense, we can focus on Hayward, Jimmer, and the future.
 
Sloanfeld said:
That's what you all wanted to hear, too bad it wasn't, so STOP SAYING IT. You see, Sloanfidels, I've been reading this site regularly for probably the last six years. I could remember back to Boozer's second season here when people were crapping on the guy and saying that he faked inuries. Some people did have his back at the time. I thought it was ridiculous that he was being treated so unfairly. He came back and led us to the WCF in his third season then everyone loved him. The only knock on him at that time was his defense, which was understandable. Things went smoothly for a little while then you know the rest.

Anyway, the point of this topic is really that the trading of Deron 'coach killer' Williams proved that the Al Jefferson experiment was a failure. He was brought in to replace Boozer and it did not happen. Coach killer had to carry a lot of the load early on, which I said that it was NOT a good thing (remember, Nate505? https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...r-in-free-agency&p=88759&viewfull=1#post88759 ) Look what happened with Rose. He had to do too much and it didn't work. Replace him with Deron Williams on that team and the series becomes much closer. Deron could actually finish down the stretch too.

As I was saying, with the trading of coach killer, the Al Jefferson replacement for Boozer experiment was dubbed a failure. Boozer was clearly the better second option so I win the argument. Not only that, there were stretches where Boozer was the first option. The first half of his last season here comes to mind, as does 06-07. That never happened with Jefferson when we still had coach killer. I'm not saying that Jefferson isn't a better main option, we've never really had the opportunity to see what Boozer would do for a long stretch without coach killer. That was never really the argument either.

Jazz fans, always trying to make ridiculous arguments like declaring Jefferson a super player because Boozer was injured.

thriller.jpg


Great call, The Thriller. How many points did Jefferson average this postseason? You're riduculous statements aren't so funny when they can be used against you, are they? You want more examples? How about when there was talk of signing Al Harrington as Boozers replacement? People said that he would be an upgrade over Boozer. People praise Millsap for playing through injuries but swept Boozer's injuries under the carpet this postseason. He was 100% healthy, right guys? Same old Jazz fans.

People keep knocking Boozer, saying that he's so bad in the playoffs. Really? Averages, people:

2006-2007: 23.5 PPG - 12.2 RPG - 53.6% FG
2008-2009: 20.6 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 52.8% FG
2009-2010: 19.7 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 53.0% FG

Oh by the way, The Thriller, here are Al Jefferson's career playoff averages:

2004-2005 6.1 PPG - 6.4 RPG - 41.5% FG

I know, that's not even fair. That was his rookie year, but that's the kind of stuff The Thriller and company do to me. See, I know that Jefferson would have respectible numbers now, if he could only ever make the playoffs again. :p:p:p

Now, there are some of you who are actually able to form a constructive argument as to why they either thought that letting Boozer go was good or why they think Jefferson is better. The difference between them and the haters is that they go about it in a respectible way and DON'T exaggerate facts while they do it. Boozer does a lot of the intangibles. He finishes better than Al in Transition (and the transition game was a lot better in previous years than this season pre-coach killer trade). He sets better screens, better PnR player, better rebounder, a typical Sloan players. Sloan, he didn't leave under Boozer's watch, that's for sure. To those of you who could actually form a constructive argument without stretching the truth, I respect you and thanks for playing.

So Sloanfidels, I'm right, and with that, the argument rests. There's no point in continuing with this nonsensical bickering all the time. You probably think you're right, even through I just proved you all wrong, but I wouldn't expect anything less from the haters. I may have to step in when the haters are spinning things out of control from time to time (and maybe add a few more thoughts that I can't think of right now, and a topic that I need to bump when I get time), but I don't intend to keep this up next season. Coach killer is not anymore here so there's no point. The Deron/Boozer era beat the crap out of the failure of the Deron/Jefferson experiment. Instead of this nonsense, we can focus on Hayward, Jimmer, and the future.
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Blah blah blah blah blah... Go buy some Vagisil already.
 
boozer was all about numbers and he isnt even like that number. I wonder when will chicago throw him away, but is there any such stupid team in nba to get his overloaded contract?
 
I don't want to quote the whole thing, and I am too lazy to pare it down so I just copied this out:

2006-2007: 23.5 PPG - 12.2 RPG - 53.6% FG
2008-2009: 20.6 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 52.8% FG
2009-2010: 19.7 PPG - 13.2 RPG - 53.0% FG
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Forogt one year that is in the books now:

2010-2011: 12.6 PPG - 9.7 RPG - 43% FG

His dominance continues.
 
So if this epic rant, that proves absolutely nothing since a half season with any team with new players is hardly defining of what may have been, and far too small a sample size for any meaningful comparison, means you are done constantly bringing up Boozer where it isn't warranted and reviving arguments that have already died and gone to bed, then I approve.

Something you need to take your blinders off long enough to see is that enough people were sick of Boozer NEVER playing defense that getting Jefferson, who was viewed as a superior defender, which he is, was exciting. So mostly people were glad to see Boozer and his attitude of disloyalty (getting his raise regardless), 30 lost games per year due to injury, and failure to guard a dead man, leave for his mo' money mo' money mo' money. A lot of us were ready for something different too, as it was obvious he wasn't going to carry us to the promised land. It was time for a fresh face and new blood. So understandably people get excited about the new guy. The new guy who happened to come into a ****-storm waiting to happen with D Will and his rapidly inflating ego and rapidly deflating attitude. The team falling apart had nothing to do with Jefferson, or Boozer, but Williams because he didn't get his way. So since we never got to see what a true D Will/AJ tandem could have done, their grade is incomplete and we cannot know how they would have fared to compare them to the Boozer/Williams days. All we can do is compare the player to the player, and IMO I would rather have AJ than Boozer.

If your beef is that you don't like Jefferson then fine, that is valid, but your mistake was trying to "prove" that Boozer is a superior player, which he quite simply is not. If you had simply attacked Jefferson on his own merits than I am sure you would have garnered plenty of supporters, but the way you did it was irrational and wrong and quite frankly made you look like a crackpot or some typical internet big-acting teen. Or an act.

But you know, I do kind of get a feeling that it isn't an act, but in your DNA so I would guess we haven't heard the end of the irrational Boozer love from you. Can't wait until you start telling us how much better off we would be with Boozer instead of Favors.
 
Sloanfeld, we KNOW you love Boozer, and I for one am happy for you. It's nice that you've found a bromance that provides you so much satisfaction. But I really think you should stop shouting it from the rooftops now, esp. since the basketball season is over. Time to get back to your private lives.


Maybe you and Carlos can make some beautiful music together in the off-season. Good luck.
 
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