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NBA Free Agency Moves in General (related to the Jazz, but not just moves made by the Jazz)

Fwiw, I never believed the 50-50 crap. I think he knew what he wanted to do, or what he wanted to see from the team he was leaning towards.

The nba loves drama and free advertising, I think they encourage this kind of behavior. If Hayward doesn't do the tour, what FA is making headlines?

Plus, his agent is telling him this is the way to build his brand, to get more exposure so he can claim a few advertising dollars or sell some shoes.
 
It makes sense to explore his options.

Plus, he's never gotten this attention before, so of course he's gonna love it. I would. Let people wine and dine me for a weekend.

He'll still end up in Utah.
 
Also, poor Hill. Listening to his agent has most likely cost him millions.

Houston, Philly, Utah, Minny out of the PG market. Spurs dropped negotiations. Remaining teams like Nuggets and Knicks are only willing/can only pay much less. Should have taken the deal Hill.

I'd have fired my agent as well.
 
Bucks trying to shed contracts to sign significant free agents.

Can the Jazz fleece them or Denver by dangling Diaw of through a sign and trade.

If they did who would be targets?
 
Stoked said:
Bucks trying to shed contracts to sign significant free agents.

Can the Jazz fleece them or Denver by dangling Diaw of through a sign and trade.

If they did who would be targets?
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The only guy on the Bucks that I'd want (outside of the Greek Freak obviously) is Jabari Parker. That's based purely on his future potential to stay healthy and play the 4 in Utah. Denver actually has a couple of guys - Galo, Faried and Wilson Chandler - that I'd be interested in teaming up with Favors and JJ at the 4.
I like Will Barton as well, but his contract won't get anything done.
 
Stoked said:
Also, poor Hill. Listening to his agent has most likely cost him millions.

Houston, Philly, Utah, Minny out of the PG market. Spurs dropped negotiations. Remaining teams like Nuggets and Knicks are only willing/can only pay much less. Should have taken the deal Hill.

I'd have fired my agent as well.
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Locke was saying his new agent was the one that made him turn down the extention. So it was Hill who made the dumb mistake of firing an experienced agent.

This is all on Hill.
 
Locked on Jazz on meeting day:

Jazz FO (Starks, DL, Snyder...) will meet with Hayward. But Ingles, Gobert and apparently 2 other players are in LA/Sand Diego.

So the Jazz might be going into this with 4 players in an attempt to woo Hayward.

Talks about how easy it is for Robyn and kids to jet to S.D. (1 hour flight) v. flights from Miami or Boston.

Talks about Boston's failure to land George.

Jazz in the wrong conference and that's the only negative. "to some extent"

"Every projection on the Jazz" have them right there with the Spurs and Rockets.

Despite improvement to Rockets, Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves...the Jazz are upgraded considerably from Hill to Rubio.

Plays up Rubio. 538 projects Rubio as a borderline all star, age 26 v 31, Kevin Pelton has Rubio a 23.5 worp over the next 5 year. Hill is a 16.4 worp over the next 5. Jazz projected to win 56, 57 and then 60 over the next 3 seasons. Despite the improved west.

Jazz future projection looks better than most W.C. teams. mentions Rockets and Thunder specifically as not measuring up.

Jazz core is young. Still about 26 on average.

Every advanced metric has Rubio as an upgrade over Hill.

Pluses from re-signing Ingles:
commitment
what he means to team
what he means to camaraderie
"dude can play"
aside from hand injury season he is a 40%+ 3 point shooter
Perhaps a small overpay but if he moves the needle than it is well worth it.

He says the Jazz have done the most they can do to this point.

Why would Hayward leave?

East is easier
Some preferred style in Boston or Miami
Known scars v. unknown in Boston and Miami
Wants something new

SL starts today at 7 PM.

Mitchell has looked really good. "really, really good".

Alludes to a convo with Ingles in regards to Rubio that is really interesting. Ingles and Rubio are friends, former team mates and former room mates from Barcelona.
 
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Beantown said:
Locke was saying his new agent was the one that made him turn down the extention. So it was Hill who made the dumb mistake of firing an experienced agent.

This is all on Hill.
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It was rumored that the Jazz offered him the full $89 million they had available.
I'm going off memory here, so I could be wrong. . . but it would have been a $14 million increase over his 2016 salary and an average of $25 million for the next 3 years. Assuming Rubio pans out and stays healthy (and Hayward re-signs) I'm pretty happy with the outcome. Kind of wish the Jazz had just traded for Rubio in the first place and been able to keep the OKC pick for another deal.
 
JustTheTip said:
You must have heard that wrong Stoked. Injury or not, Rubio has never been close to a 40% shooter from 3.
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You are right. That was about Ingles. random to throw Ingles in the middle of Rubio stuff. missed his name.

Fixed my post.
 
Can someone help me understand Boris' contract. If the jazz decide to not exercise their option, can they renegotiate another contract with him?

Or, can the Jazz trade Boris before the 15th, then sign him to a contract once the new team declines to exercise their option?

For instance, could the Jazz trade Boris to Milwaukee for Jabari Parker, then sign Boris to a one-year deal after milwaukee does not exercise the option?
 
mellow said:
Can someone help me understand Boris' contract. If the jazz decide to not exercise their option, can they renegotiate another contract with him?

Or, can the Jazz trade Boris before the 15th, then sign him to a contract once the new team declines to exercise their option?

For instance, could the Jazz trade Boris to Milwaukee for Jabari Parker, then sign Boris to a one-year deal after milwaukee does not exercise the option?
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If they trade him and he is cut we can't re-sign him... if we cut him at 7.5 we can re-sign him. I expect we do the latter with him.
 
Beantown said:
Locke was saying his new agent was the one that made him turn down the extention. So it was Hill who made the dumb mistake of firing an experienced agent.

This is all on Hill.
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This is correct. He had ample time to figure out his agent ****. We were more than willing to meet and talk through this... This is on him. Sucks that he got bad advice, but don't hire junior college help when you have Stanford business decisions to make.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If they trade him and he is cut we can't re-sign him... if we cut him at 7.5 we can re-sign him. I expect we do the latter with him.
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I'd also like to than Naos for every time I write re-sign... don't want him to give me crap over resign/re-sign.
 
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