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NBA Free Agency Moves in General (related to the Jazz, but not just moves made by the Jazz)

Handlogten's Heros said:
The 2018 FA class will suck. I'd rather take on assets and salary for next year than try to make a big FA play.
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Yep the only good FAs are RFA except for Paul George but I dont think we have a chance at him.

I guess Cousins is slightly interesting prospect depending on how he does this season. He is a huge swing for the fences but a good chance to strike out player though. This season will be telling for him somewhat.
 
Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Mitchell will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Mitchell even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg. They'll have to do more than that though because we lost more ppg than that due to Mack, Lyles, and Withey going, but I was being conservative. I just wanted to show it is not out of the realm of possibility to add most of the lost points back pretty quickly.

I also think we will can add much more with the dynamic of having a passing point guard. I want to point out that it will be huge if we can have guys when we need them. Hill was out a lot more that I would have liked when we really needed him. That should factor into these numbers and tell a story that is not easy to translate into ppg or wins/losses.

--thoughts? takes? hate mail?
 
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Jazz Spazz said:
Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Marshall will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Marshall even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg. They'll have to do more than that though because we lost more ppg than that due to Mack, Lyles, and Withey going, but I was being conservative. I just wanted to show it is not out of the realm of possibility to add most of the lost points back pretty quickly.

I also think we will can add much more with the dynamic of having a passing point guard. I want to point out that it will be huge if we can have guys when we need them. Hill was out a lot more that I would have liked when we really needed him. That should factor into these numbers and tell a story that is not easy to translate into ppg or wins/losses.

--thoughts? takes? hate mail?
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Who's "Marshall"? Donyell making a comeback?
 
stitches said:
Wiggins? Parker? Not interested?
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Restricted... Parker maybe but if they didn't match I'd be worried they know more than we do. Wiggins getting matched no doubt.
 
Haven't run the numbers but what would it take for us to take on Dengs contract? Basketball wise as a small ball PF I would like the fit... he's paid probably 3-4 times what he should be and a three year deal is obviously bad but could we get a couple unprotected picks and other stuff (randle Kuzma nance jr)

It could be our Brooklyn trade that brings big assets.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Marshall will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Marshall even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg.
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My main problem with that is that you've looked at total pts when seeing what we've lost, but then when thinking about replacements you've looked at ppg. The issue is that those players will not play in all 82 games. You also need to adjust for expected games lost to have a realistic scenario.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Haven't run the numbers but what would it take for us to take on Dengs contract? Basketball wise as a small ball PF I would like the fit... he's paid probably 3-4 times what he should be and a three year deal is obviously bad but could we get a couple unprotected picks and other stuff (randle Kuzma nance jr)

It could be our Brooklyn trade that brings big assets.
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Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, 3 first round picks unprotected and cash.... And that is still probably not enough. Taking Deng's contract is a deathnail to this team. It would officially be wasting Gobert's prime years.
 
colton said:
My main problem with that is that you've looked at total pts when seeing what we've lost, but then when thinking about replacements you've looked at ppg. The issue is that those players will not play in all 82 games. You also need to adjust for expected games lost to have a realistic scenario.
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Rubio isn't going to get 9 assists per game if he hasn't got anyone around to put the ball in the hoop. I really hope he and Rudy develop a strong understanding in training camp, could be awesome.
 
colton said:
My main problem with that is that you've looked at total pts when seeing what we've lost, but then when thinking about replacements you've looked at ppg. The issue is that those players will not play in all 82 games. You also need to adjust for expected games lost to have a realistic scenario.
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Yea, laziness. The main point stands. I can see us getting close to replacing the points. Also part of the reason I was being what I felt to be conservative for the most part with the ppg numbers to account for some amount of lost time. Hopefully not nearly as large as last year. I may not have accounted for it in the numbers per se, but just cut down numbers with a spitball.

I was looking at the big picture to see how likely we can replace points, and was not interested in getting deep into the nitty gritty.
 
Rubashov said:
Rubio isn't going to get 9 assists per game if he hasn't got anyone around to put the ball in the hoop. I really hope he and Rudy develop a strong understanding in training camp, could be awesome.
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This is a mediocre 3 point shooting team held up by the possibility that Ingles continues his league leading 3 point % and Hood and Burks being healthy and showing steadiness from behind the arc.

Where I see value the most in Rubio is that Rudy is the best rim runner in the NBA. If Rubio can hit a decent percentage of mid-range shots (he shoots reasonable well when he gets inside), then Gobert can hunt for lob after lob after lob. I have a feeling that Quin can figure out some good high-low action with Rubio, Favors and Gobert. Some good double screening into it by the wings maybe to hide Rubio's shooting and also to create commotion for Ingles to get wide open in the corner.
 
SCS said:
Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, 3 first round picks unprotected and cash.... And that is still probably not enough. Taking Deng's contract is a deathnail to this team. It would officially be wasting Gobert's prime years.
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I don't think it's a deathknell, but I would extract a premium to do it... ball Ingram and three firsts is ummmmm extreme.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If the nets wanted to clear a little more cap space to make a run at KCP how would we feel about a Booker reunion. One year deal. A guy we love. Just a salary dump for them.
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I would love it
 
Oh ****. A huge YES to Book.

I'm all about mother-****ers happy as a pig in **** playing D, uglying up the game, and proud to be a member of one the league's great franchises.
 
Another name I'd be interested in that I haven't heard anything about is Jonas jerebko... sign one of those types to fill in the gaps of the rotation.
 
I think I'm done keeping an eagle eye on twitter. Waiting for Jazz news every day only for there to be none is starting to drive me crazy lol.
 
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