Nets think they can sign Deron in 2012

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If I were a big-time FA and wanted to win, I'd look at the opportunity to play with Deron and Al Jeff in Utah, so I don't have to fight through Miami, Orlando and Chicago in order to get to the NBA Finals. The right player could take this current Jazz team and put them over the top in the west. The big competition will be OKC and whatever the Lakers have left. Utah is as attractive a destination as Oklahoma City, I'd like to think.

 

[vj_74]

If I were Deron, I would ask the Jazz front office to get better return on investment on AK and Okur's salary slots.

Too late for that. Jazz should have fixed AK's situation long time back. They blew it and KOC is now pushing the same BS about how AK is the X-factor for this team. You dont pay a guy 18 million to be an X-factor. You pay him that money to be THE factor night in and night out. Apparently he still does'nt get it.

Maybe the Jazz will trade one of these two by Feb, but Iam not holding my breath.The Jazz would rather stay the same and lose in the second round than make any changes and risk getting worse.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

If I were Deron, I would ask the Jazz front office to get better return on investment on AK and Okur's salary slots. Al Jeff, Millsap and CJ are all on reasonable deals. Now the Jazz need another max player who truly is a max player. That makes them contenders. The rest are bits and pieces they can pick up.

Easier said than done. Name one max player who's truly a max player who would play here, let alone is available.

 

[franklin]

Easier said than done. Name one max player who's truly a max player who would play here, let alone is available.

Dwight Howard in 2012-13. KOC would have to work some magic, but I think it could be done. Look at what Utah has to offer Howard. A stud young core that is willing to work hard and play their roles, and an ownership/management wanting to chase championships.

D-Will, Dwight, Millsap, and CJ would only be about $46 million. That would be more than enough for the Jazz to use like the Lakers do to convince solid veterans to sign for next to nothing. "Want a championship? Come to Utah now!"

Howard knows this and should seriously entertain every offer Utah puts up if it is championship rings he really wants.

 

[franklin]

Jazz should go after Tayshaun Prince this summer if they can make money available. He'll be 31 and his numbers haven't declined.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Dwight Howard in 2012-13. KOC would have to work some magic, but I think it could be done. Look at what Utah has to offer Howard. A stud young core that is willing to work hard and play their roles, and an ownership/management wanting to chase championships.

D-Will, Dwight, Millsap, and CJ would only be about $46 million. That would be more than enough for the Jazz to use like the Lakers do to convince solid veterans to sign for next to nothing. "Want a championship? Come to Utah now!"

Howard knows this and should seriously entertain every offer Utah puts up if it is championship rings he really wants.

I suppose but I don't see him leaving sunny Orlando for Utah. And I think Orlando will revamp their team year to year to appease. That, or some other team (Lakers?) would make some trade to get him. But yes, Deron, Hayward, Miles, Millsap and Howard is a pretty studly foundation.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Jazz should go after Tayshaun Prince this summer if they can make money available. He'll be 31 and his numbers haven't declined.

I agree. A 3 year, 18M deal wouldn't kill us.

 

[UB]

lol anyone can lol

 

[billyshelby]

Dwight Howard in 2012-13. KOC would have to work some magic, but I think it could be done. Look at what Utah has to offer Howard. A stud young core that is willing to work hard and play their roles, and an ownership/management wanting to chase championships.

D-Will, Dwight, Millsap, and CJ would only be about $46 million. That would be more than enough for the Jazz to use like the Lakers do to convince solid veterans to sign for next to nothing. "Want a championship? Come to Utah now!"

Howard knows this and should seriously entertain every offer Utah puts up if it is championship rings he really wants.

The Jazz cannot offer him 19 million dollars. Nor can any team in the league. The people writing these articles are just trying to drum up controversy without looking at the bare facts. Guys like Howard, Paul, and Deron have to leave astronomical sums of money on the table just for the privilege of starting new and exciting lives early. Alternatively, they can wait one whole year, get that money, and then start those same new exciting lives a year later.

If anything happens we'll see a repeat of this Melo fiasco. Probably with Paul since his team is horrific. But no way the Jazz or Orlando deal their stars early.

 

[franklin]

The Jazz cannot offer him 19 million dollars. Nor can any team in the league. The people writing these articles are just trying to drum up controversy without looking at the bare facts. Guys like Howard, Paul, and Deron have to leave astronomical sums of money on the table just for the privilege of starting new and exciting lives early. Alternatively, they can wait one whole year, get that money, and then start those same new exciting lives a year later.

If anything happens we'll see a repeat of this Melo fiasco. Probably with Paul since his team is horrific. But no way the Jazz or Orlando deal their stars early.

Like I said, KOC would have to work his magic. The easiest play would be trading straight up for AJ (expiring) (if Orlando's hand was pushed to get something for nothing), or to trade AJ for a TPE and then acquire Dwight. There will be a few willing teams with cap space.

 

[billyshelby]

There is no magic to work with the Magic. Orlando is never going to trade Howard. Just like the Jazz will never trade Deron. And neither of those guys will force trades. Paul might, though, very quietly. And New Orleans at least has some motivation to deal him considering they're close to a total rebuild.

 

[franklin]

There is no magic to work with the Magic. Orlando is never going to trade Howard. Just like the Jazz will never trade Deron. And neither of those guys will force trades. Paul might, though, very quietly. And New Orleans at least has some motivation to deal him considering they're close to a total rebuild.

Why?

 

[Marty McFly]

How often do superstars get traded while in their prime? Melo's been "on the verge" of being traded for months now but it's mostly just media hype.

 

[billyshelby]

Why?

The answer is always money.

For the teams: Those guys are the face of the franchise and crucial to longterm stability. Everything from season tickets to postseason revenue depends on them, and that's to say nothing of corporate sponsorships and television contracts. They are well protected in the ETO situations because the players have to leave so much money on the table. All logic points to the players not exercising the ETO's and the teams fighting to sign their stars to longterm extensions once the new CBA is in place.

For the players: Why would Deron/Howard/Paul opt out of 18 to 19 million dollars? The next contract they could sign will be for substantially less money. And they're all young and in their prime. So common sense says they play out that year (12/13), make a fortune, and then sign whatever contract most benefits them in the next CBA. The Melo situation is different because he's still eligible to sign a highly lucrative extension under the present CBA.

Utah and Orlando are good enough that they'll push their chips in the middle and hope their stars are willing to stick it out for the long haul. New Orleans is in a tougher spot. Uncertain management, a disgruntled star, a bad team, declining players. They're probably headed toward a total rebuild so I can see a Paul Sweepstakes. But not with the other two guys.

 

[Sneakers]

I'm more than convinced Utah is gonna make T-shawn their #1 target during the offseason.. to replace AK

 

[franklin]

I appreciate what you're saying, but your entire argument hinges on money being the only factor. Howard could opt out of his $19.2mm final year and take $17.4 from the Jazz. That's not a huge drop. To be completely fair, he would also lose out on the additional 2.5% Bird Rights raise per year (10.5% max in O vs. 8% in Jazz uni), and a possible sixth year to the deal (which I imagine Orlando would be more than happy to include).

The question Howard has to answer is if he want to win or if he want to make a few extra million per year. He'll have made over $60mm plus endorsements when the option comes, and will make another $100mm over the next 5-6. Is $2mm per enough to keep him on a team without much of a chance at a ring? Plus, resigning a maximum extension will just make it that much harder for Orlando to attract the talent needed in The Big 3 age.

Howard loves Orlando and likely stays. But if you were him would money be the only factor?

 

[Marty McFly]

The Magic have been more successful than the Jazz recently. Why the crap would he take less to come here?

 

[franklin]

The Magic have been more successful than the Jazz recently. Why the crap would he take less to come here?

Do you think the Magic are good enough as they sit to win it all? If not then take a good look at their payroll and tell me how they are going to get better, let alone avoid getting worse. Add more salary onto Howard and they're really stuck without much help. They have their own AK contract problem and it's called Gilbert Arenas. He's $20mm per through 2014. Good luck building a championship squad dragging that boat anchor.

 

[billyshelby]

Fan Logic is: "What's a few million when you're making 100 million?" Players consistently prove they don't subscribe to that logic WHILE they tell the media championships are the only thing that matters to them.

 

[franklin]

Fan Logic is: "What's a few million when you're making 100 million?" Players consistently prove they don't subscribe to that logic WHILE they tell the media championships are the only thing that matters to them.

Let's play a game.

You mean like Malone, Artest, Barnes, Arenas '08 took an offer 16 million less than 2 days earlier, Paul Pierce opted out and then took less money, add Ray Allen to that list, Ilgauskas, Haslem, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh? Shaq took $25mm off in '05 so they could get enough around him and Wade in '06.

Thanks for the strawman burning party.