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Boris said:
Your precious Libertarian Party does not have some fascist grip on libertarianism. What kind of bozo does not support sovereignty? No true libertarian that is for sure.
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I'm on my phone at work so I'll keep this short.

I'm the kind of libertarian that believes that each person owns their own existence. That each of us, regardless of nationality, has the right to seek freedom and opportunity. That any nation that claims to be free and claims to be the torch bearer of liberty should open itself to those who want in.

I'm not someone who believes our liberty is based on geography or nationality. I believe our liberty is based on the fact that we possess the ability to act in our own best interests and act in a reasonable and rational way to that end. Therefore do not require an external entity to act for us in regard to how we dispose of our limited existence on this earth.
 
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Boris said:
Your precious Libertarian Party does not have some fascist grip on libertarianism. What kind of bozo does not support sovereignty? No true libertarian that is for sure.
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Libertarians and libertarians tend to believe in individual sovereignty, sometimes to an extreme degree. I don't know of any definition of libertarianism that would hold national sovereignty in such a high regard as does trump. I don't know of any serious person that would call Trump a libertarian and he's definitely not a Libertarian.

I would not call myself a libertarian but I am a registered Libertarian. They're as close to my views as I could hope for in an American political party.
 
♪alt13 said:
Libertarians and libertarians tend to believe in individual sovereignty, sometimes to an extreme degree. I don't know of any definition of libertarianism that would hold national sovereignty in such a high regard as does trump. I don't know of any serious person that would call Trump a libertarian and he's definitely not a Libertarian.

I would not call myself a libertarian but I am a registered Libertarian. They're as close to my views as I could hope for in an American political party.
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I do not know of any libertarian who is for zero borders or one world governance as your post suggests. This baffles me.
 
Boris said:
I do not know of any libertarian who is for zero borders or one world governance as your post suggests. This baffles me.
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My post doesn't suggest that. You're baffled because you're an idiot. I'm sorry but there isn't much I can do about that.
 
Gameface said:
I'm on my phone at work so I'll keep this short.

I'm the kind of libertarian that believes that each person owns their own existence. That each of us, regardless of nationality, has the right to seek freedom and opportunity. That any nation that claims to be free and claims to be the torch bearer of liberty should open itself to those who want in.

I'm not someone who believes our liberty is based on geography of nationality. I believe our liberty is based on the fact that we possess the ability to act on our own best interests and act in a reasonable and rational way to that end. Therefore do not require an external entity to act for us in regard to how we dispose of our limited existence on this earth.
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I think this excellent post is better punctuated as geography OR nationality
 
♪alt13 said:
My post doesn't suggest that. You're baffled because you're an idiot. I'm sorry but there isn't much I can do about that.
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Whatever dude u implied it. Tell me how I am wrong supporting a border fence from a libertarian perspective? I do not need your capital L little l nonsense.
 
Boris said:
Whatever dude u implied it. Tell me how I am wrong supporting a border fence from a libertarian perspective? I do not need your capital L little l nonsense.
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Please explain to us how supporting a Berlin style Wall on the border with Mexico is libertarian. You're trying to be a troll(as usual)and right now you're failing. To be a successful troll you need to find an almost logical yet still irrational argument. Right now you're just reaching.

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♪alt13 said:
Please explain to us how supporting a Berlin style Wall on the border with Mexico is libertarian. You're trying to be a troll(as usual)and right now you're failing. To be a successful troll you need to find an almost logical yet still irrational argument. Right now you're just reaching.

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To be fair it's pretty much the opposite of a Berlin style wall which was for keeping people in. It's more like a China style wall or an Israel style wall.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
To be fair it's pretty much the opposite of a Berlin style wall which was for keeping people in. It's more like a China style wall or an Israel style wall.
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Do you think the USSR sold the legitimacy of the Berlin wall as a way to keep people in or as a protection against the other? Politically it is the Berlin wall regardless of what it evolves into as practice.

I would say that the California-Texas Wall is nothing like the Great Wall of China. China had a legitimate reason to fear Mongolian aggression(and walls/archers were the military technology of its day, there were plenty of gates for trade in the GWOC).
 
The wall Trump wants to build is symbolic. It has zero chance of making any difference in regard to illegal immigration.

The solution to our illegal immigration policy is to allow much more immigration legally and to provide the infrastructure to process the people coming in. The biggest benefit to switching to a legal immigration system instead of our current system that makes illegal the workers we need in many industries, is that we can set the criteria and prioritize the types of immigrants that we want, while providing the workers we need via a legitimate path to entry.
 
Great Wall is a symbol more of slavery (similar to the Pyramids, really) than anything. So many holes in it that is didn't have much, if any effect, of blocking any raiding party from coming in.
 
As much as I recoil at everything Trump seems to represent, scenes like this in San Jose last night only play directly into Trump's hands. It may be true to say that if Trump had not launched his campaign with inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, scenes like this would not mar his rallies. Even if there is truth to that, people are responsible for their actions, and the onus is on them for behavior like this....

https://heavy.com/news/2016/06/trum...american-flag-ripped-injuries-photos-twitter/
 
Red said:
As much as I recoil at everything Trump seems to represent, scenes like this in San Jose last night only play directly into Trump's hands. It may be true to say that if Trump had not launched his campaign with inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, scenes like this would not mar his rallies. Even if there is truth to that, people are responsible for their actions, and the onus is on them for behavior like this....

https://heavy.com/news/2016/06/trum...american-flag-ripped-injuries-photos-twitter/
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Wtf is wrong with us?
We seem to get stupider by the day.
 
Red said:
As much as I recoil at everything Trump seems to represent, scenes like this in San Jose last night only play directly into Trump's hands. It may be true to say that if Trump had not launched his campaign with inflammatory and hateful rhetoric, scenes like this would not mar his rallies. Even if there is truth to that, people are responsible for their actions, and the onus is on them for behavior like this....

https://heavy.com/news/2016/06/trum...american-flag-ripped-injuries-photos-twitter/
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It plays right into his hands. All he has to do is point and say "See! I told you"
 
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