Joe Bagadonuts
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We don't have a legit reason to fear drugs pouring in over our border? And I thought this wall was going to have gates for trade.
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Not into fore play huh?
Not with him i'm not lol.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Why does the wall have zero chance of working? We disagree on completely opening up the border, though we do agree on allowing more legal immigration.
Homophobe?
Only on the weekdays
♪alt13
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That's definitely not a libertarian position. Libertarians want to end the drug war not expand it. Libertarians believe that people own their bodies and have the right and the responsibility to decide what to put into it. They believe that when government tries to make that decision for people, especially in terms of banning things, they end up making the problems associated with whatever they are banning much worse. Libertarians are for free markets not black markets created by the government.
Because humans have the technology to overcome a physical wall in the middle of the desert.
There have been several very large tunnels discovered under what barriers we currently have in place.
Airplanes, boats, a ladder, etc. A wall is not the answer.
♪alt13
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Forget the wall, stopping/slowing immigration is not the answer. Our economy was as good as it ever has been when we had immigrants coming in by the millions. They worked and created wealth for this country. Now that we are aging we want to stop that?
The worst part is that it looks like it doesn't matter what we do. The immigrants aren't coming like they used to. There has been zero net immigration from Mexico since 2010 and with their declining birth rates it doesn't look like it will ever pick back up. So not only would a wall not keep people out but for the most part it looks like on net people aren't going to be trying anyway.
But if I can't have an irrational fear of waves of brown people ****ing up my culture what am I supposed to have an irrational fear of?
Joe Bagadonuts
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A physical wall with video would eliminate the ladder issue. Tunnels have been discovered and shut down. They can make this a very difficult thing to accomplish in the future, especially because in order to hide a tunnel it has to emerge inside of a structure on the US side, so this is really only an issue near border cities. Airplanes cannot enter US airspace undetected. That system is already in place. Boats are probably the biggest issue that a wall doesn't solve, but only small ones could dock in the US undetected so the vast majority could be handled with a wall.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Conservatives
♪alt13
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You've tried to peg me as some kind of leftist. I absolutely detest this idea of team "R" vs team "D"
You'd be surprised by the fact that I don't hate conservatives. I will own up to the fact that I do have a very strong dislike and distrust of people who combine their mythological beliefs with their political beliefs, because for them politics becomes a battle of good vs evil, and it's acceptable to use whatever means necessary to root out and destroy evil.
Jamezz
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Shifting to just being a political thread reader has been a good thing. If I learned anything is that most people are stuck in ideals that they create for themselves to try to make sense out of the world that surrounds them. I'm guilty of this very same thing myself.
And people get into defensive or passive aggressive mode if a challenging idea that threatens the very core of their beliefs is thrown out there.
And people get into defensive or passive aggressive mode if a challenging idea that threatens the very core of their beliefs is thrown out there.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I absolutely agree with your last paragraph. I'm surprised that you don't recognize that the sentence I responded to is exactly what a liberal would say. If there's a way to make an issue into a racist or sexist argument they'll do it every time.
You'd probably be surprised to learn that I don't vote along party lines either. In fact, I often vote for Dems locally, and I even voted for Obama in '08.
Red
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Indeed....
https://www.slate.com/articles/news...iolent_resistance_only_help_donald_trump.html
"Isaac Chotiner: What did you make of the events in San Jose Thursday night?
Todd Gitlin: My thoughts ran back to an incident in San Jose in 1970 when Nixon was speaking from a rally and got up on his car and he flashed his V-sign with a big grin. Later, he said to one of his hangers-on, “They hate it when I do that.” He was courting a venomous display of rage. I don’t think Trump was necessarily deliberately inciting this, but I think he properly regards these collisions as food for his wilder beasts, and he loves it.
Another thought was, who knows who these people are? Might some of them be agent provocateurs? It wouldn’t be the first time, and it doesn’t mean all of them are, and it doesn’t mean that there are not authentic feelings of rage directed at Trump. But it wouldn’t be surprising if there were agent provocateurs nibbling around the edges. You have Roger Stone working with Trump, an old-time dirty trickster."
"The lead story in the New York Times right now is about a Trump victory being a real threat to the rule of law. Lots of people have thrown around the word fascism, not altogether wrongly I don’t think. So in a sense do you think people are responding rationally to the possible threat they see?
I think it is likely to be counterproductive. On the other hand there is a nonzero threat of massive deportation and assault directed against Latinos and Muslims and whatnot. I think the anger is entirely justified. Playing it out by going up and punching people is dumb but hard to control."
Joe Bagadonuts
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This suggestion that Trump is behind some of the anti-Trump protests is becoming more and more common. It's a stupid suggestion to make without evidence.