Your implied tone in this post and through the thread don't make it worth responding to.
Never Trump
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Your implied tone in this post and through the thread don't make it worth responding to.
I know you better than you know yourself. Been there, done that.
The hardest thing for really smart people in life is to learn when their smarts jump the tracks.
you think you're doing real good, going real fast, but you're sitting in a mudhole intellectually.
take a few weeks off work, stop reading the political crusade crap, swat some mosquitos, get some real mud on your boots. It's good for what ails you.
Jonah
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There is no way this will happen in four short years. The country is way too polarized, has been now for at least thirty years, and will stay polarized for the foreseeable future. The Dems and Repubs each have about 45 percent of the electorate baked in. Clinton and Trump are both terrible candidates, it would not be surprising if one of them crashed and burned, and still, even if virtually all the undecided vote goes one way, the loser is still getting their 45 percent.
More specifically to your point about Bernie. If Sanders wins the nomination from Clinton and goes on to beat Trump, his presidency would not be a guaranteed win for Republicans. It’s entirely possible Sanders would be a successful and popular president. Sanders is not some crazy radical. He’s an FDR style social democrat. His whole campaign is about reinvigorating the New Deal. New Deal policies have been wildly popular in the past, updated for a new century, it's possible they could be popular once again. Finally, a Sander’s presidency, even if it floundered and ended up being one term, would not magically obliterate the consequences of 50 years of Southern Strategy. If the GOP wants to win back majorities of women, hispanics and blacks they are going to have to moderate on a whole range of issues, not pray that a failed Democrat is going to deliver groups of people they have spent decades alienating.
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Yup, it's something I constantly keep in mind. The views that I hold are reflections of understanding this privilege I was essentially born into, fully understanding that it isn't distributed proportionately in any sense in any society.
And I say this as a young Muslim male, probably the most hated social group in North American society rn.
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thus marks another babe post I'll never read
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I don't give two ****s for your tone policing when there's multiple other posters levying personal insults at me, and you come at me with this condescending paternalism. You barely need to go back a page to see what i'm talking about.
if you're being even-handed, I'll respect what you have to say. You're not.
Even though the level of discourse doesn't lend itself well to learning, the opportunity is there, and we should attempt to exploit it.
What would make a great thread, if possible, would be a respectful exchange between academia study and empirical knowledge.
Would be way more interesting to me to read respectful exchange between the two and witness two sides learning in a synergistic anti-bubble.
I believe both sides are guilty of essentially discounting the other for the sake of their own views.
Truth is, I am sure, there is something to be learned from each and if we aren't discussing something for the purpose of learning, then we should just hang out in the Jazz forum and bash players and the FO.
What would make a great thread, if possible, would be a respectful exchange between academia study and empirical knowledge.
Would be way more interesting to me to read respectful exchange between the two and witness two sides learning in a synergistic anti-bubble.
I believe both sides are guilty of essentially discounting the other for the sake of their own views.
Truth is, I am sure, there is something to be learned from each and if we aren't discussing something for the purpose of learning, then we should just hang out in the Jazz forum and bash players and the FO.
Thanks for the capitalization.
Sanity is marked by some characteristic traits.....
a sense of humor.. . . . some laughs to set of the stress of ideas that are just too disconnected from everyday observation and everyday common sense to actually be either sane or useful. . . .
the ability to keep your good manners when dealing with others who might not just agree with you. . . .
that's what some folks find when they take a vacation close to nature in some way.
you think you're going to feed the world with GMO? look around. . ..
we have too much production, we are actually working to reduce human population, according to the leading or most influential progressives. We don't need GMO if we're just taking productive land back to wilderness for the sake of Mother Earth. The only reason cartel interests like Monsanto want GMO is to be able to patent the seed and make the market dependent on their stuff. So, for all your GMO research, you are actually acting in an insane pattern considering your angst for humanity.
WTF does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?
Which is? I'm serious. I thought the topic was the art of argument.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Protestors throwing burning t-shirts, rocks and bottles at police. Several police injured. Rocks thrown through convention center windows. Security dragging protesters from the stands. People burning American flags and waving Mexican flags. Protestors screaming profanity at police and at Trump supporters. Fighting. At one point a horse was knocked down by a surging wave of charging protestors. People dancing on police cars. Police in riot gear shooting off tear gas and smoke canisters. Police eventually getting rough with some protestors (they endured a ton of abuse before they finally started reacting to it). It was crazy. Chicago was very bad too, and there have been some violent ones in California as well.
♪alt13
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I can see how that would be rough. The comment that equated you to an extremist simply because you are Muslim was uncalled for and wrong. You'll probably achieve things beyond what I could hope to. I hate to see people with so much good going on and so much potential left in them become cynical and jaded. To be drug down by the ramblings of the least common denominator. I don't know if that's where you are but you have come across as a harsher person lately.
Not sure. But it's definitely not about Babe's nature hikes, GMOs, and progressives reducing the population. Babe needs an editor.
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I'm not. I'm hella idealistic (as young people are), hopeful, and optimistic. I'd rater throw myself at something and fail 10 times than never try at all. I'll feel like my life is a waste if I don't try and do something with it. It's perceptive of you to want to keep ppl engaged-- it's probably the best thing you could do for your daughter as you raise her. Tell her how much of a difference she could make; tell her to chase her passions, and that she can do anything she sets her mind to doing.
Not really. If you think trying to silence people with violence isn't a sign of fascism, then we'll just have to disagree on this.
Wow, you can cut the condescension with a knife.
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a violent uprising against a political rally isn't unequivocally an attempt at silence. That's a misunderstanding, and a superficial analysis of the forces at play here.
pls point out the inaccuracies in that statement.