Joe Bagadonuts
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Wow! I had no idea he was that close to Trump and Clinton.
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States like Arizona and Utah (and possibly Texas, which would be much worse) being close cannot be a good thing for the GOP in general. If Trump has to use any of his resources to shore up support there he's doomed.
If you're Hillary you absolutely support some sort of campaign to boost up Johnson in Utah. Trump giving up 6 electoral votes that should be in the bag would be devastating to him.
That being said, I'd still bet the farm that Utah goes Trump when all is said and done.
If you're Hillary you absolutely support some sort of campaign to boost up Johnson in Utah. Trump giving up 6 electoral votes that should be in the bag would be devastating to him.
That being said, I'd still bet the farm that Utah goes Trump when all is said and done.
He's also singled out Mexicans several other times on several other issues.
Also of course but the fact that he went to his heritage as a critique is very telling.
Just looked at an early Electoral Map for 2016 and it looks more interesting than most general elections.
Lean R: Utah, Texas, Missouri, Indiana, S. Carolina and Mississippi
Lean D: New Mexico, New Jersey, Connecticut and Wisconsin
Toss Up: Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, N. Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire
Lots of room for winning strategies on both sides if all those states really are in play.
Lean R: Utah, Texas, Missouri, Indiana, S. Carolina and Mississippi
Lean D: New Mexico, New Jersey, Connecticut and Wisconsin
Toss Up: Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, N. Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire
Lots of room for winning strategies on both sides if all those states really are in play.
♪alt13
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Even under the conditions you posted Trump is at a severe disadvantage.
Your scenario
Clinton starts with 174 delegates in hard Dem states to Trump's 84. When we include leaning states Clinton would still be leading 210 to 164 before the toss ups.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/MmALv
It's not my scenario. It is RealClear Politics scenario. I agree that Trump is at a disadvantage. But for more "toss ups" than I remember there being. Interesting to me.
That map should be a lot more disturbing to the GOP. Though Trump has more toss up states in play, the states that are just leaning R should be really disturbing to them (4 years ago the idea of all the Republican leaner states on that list other than Missouri being nothing but solid would have been incomprehensible to me, while just New Jersey and Connecticut are incomprehensible to me). Just Texas alone would be disastrous if Trump has to spend any time there.
I agree but one can flip that by pointing out PA, OR, WI and MI. But overall Clinton has the edge.
ah c'mon. If you're going to bet the farm on anything, you need to have a comproble item on the table from those who take your bet, oh, like, a casino.
Still I'm not taking this bet. Sure Utah's stuffy Mormons will hold their noses when voting for a casino mogul, but all they need to know is that the LDS Church invests heavily in Vegas, and has more on the line in casino holdings than Trump does.
I don't buy polls anymore. They are not done responsibly anymore, but are part of the mesmerizing media campaign for the big D. I listen to the truck drivers in Flying J.
I wouldn't trust the RINO RNC to really do much for Trump. The truth is, they want Hillary, and they are planning on going right on with the CFR/UN plan for the world, with America reduced to just another country with banana republic values/model social fascism. After Hillary, they are planning on fronting Jeb Bush once again. These guys haven't learned anything from the public sentiment.
This election is all about throwing the bums out, that's all the support for Bernie and Trump. But the public-"educated" folks today don't know the difference between populism, globalism, fascism, and oh, say the idea of a representative constitutional republic that is designed to protect the little folk from the mass hysterics. More to the point, Donald Trump doesn't understand this, either.
So the globalists have nothing to worry about. The plan is still on track.
Your votes don't count, folks. You've got management making all the news and all the decisions.
I wouldn't trust the RINO RNC to really do much for Trump. The truth is, they want Hillary, and they are planning on going right on with the CFR/UN plan for the world, with America reduced to just another country with banana republic values/model social fascism. After Hillary, they are planning on fronting Jeb Bush once again. These guys haven't learned anything from the public sentiment.
This election is all about throwing the bums out, that's all the support for Bernie and Trump. But the public-"educated" folks today don't know the difference between populism, globalism, fascism, and oh, say the idea of a representative constitutional republic that is designed to protect the little folk from the mass hysterics. More to the point, Donald Trump doesn't understand this, either.
So the globalists have nothing to worry about. The plan is still on track.
Your votes don't count, folks. You've got management making all the news and all the decisions.
If I am a D Super PAC or any anti R Super Pac then I would run the hell out of an add along these lines in heavy Mormon areas (Utah, Arizona and Vegas).
I'd play quotes from him about Muslims. Then I'd show the connection between that and the weakening in freedom of religion. Then close by pointing out Mormons have been there before and ask them if they really want to go back to that?
They already struggle with him. If you flip AZ, win NV and cause Utah to go 3rd party that is a huge blow to the Rs.
I'd play quotes from him about Muslims. Then I'd show the connection between that and the weakening in freedom of religion. Then close by pointing out Mormons have been there before and ask them if they really want to go back to that?
They already struggle with him. If you flip AZ, win NV and cause Utah to go 3rd party that is a huge blow to the Rs.
ConradA24
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♪alt13
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Me too!
It makes me sad that he's not an option.
The GOP nominated a guy that wants to expand the role of government while marginalizing and insulting millions of Americans and millions more worldwide. The LP nominated a guy that wants to shrink the role of government who seems to genuinely like all sorts of people. The GOP nominated a bad reality TV star. The LP nominated 2 two term governors.
The libertarians nominated 2 very experienced principled candidates for Potus and VP while the republicans nominated an inexperienced right wing lunatic. It's like one of those ABC made for TV movies where the parent switches bodies with the kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRoLvWpdGnQ
The LP nominated two REPUBLICANS.
Yeah, I don't see libertarianism as a branch of the Republican Party. They won't get my vote.
♪alt13
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Republicans that are for marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, ending the drug war, and ending military adventurism. You're not going to vote for them because having served as republican governors they aren't pure enough? Who else should the LP have nominated?
BTW this is in my view the best ticket the LP has had up until this point.
I'm sure it is their best ticket ever.
I am ideologically a libertarian, but I don't think there is a path to my version of libertarianism through the oval office. I believe that my version of libertarianism is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution. So I don't want to see libertarian party politicians put forth some hodge-podge implementation of libertarian principles that is doomed to failure out there that will be pointed to for generations as an example of why libertarianism doesn't work.
I think a libertarian president is the worst thing that could ever happen to libertarianism.
But also, I don't think any "real" libertarian would ever run as a Republican. I see the Republican party as less libertarian than the Democratic party. Unless, of course, which is pretty common, people think they're libertarians because they hate taxes. I don't want to associate with those types of libertarians.
♪alt13
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That's funny. Ideologically I am not libertarian but I am all about voting for them based on where we are now.
I have so many questions for you after this post. I think I'll start with just these 3; what is your version of libertarianism, why is it incompatible with the constitution, do you see a possible transitional period of incremental progress toward it or is revolution the only way to get there?