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Hotdog
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Blah blah blah. Racist. Blah blah blum blah racism. Blah blah blah. Racist. Deedo deedo dooey blah brum brum room vroom vroom blah blah racists.
There. I tried to come down to your level and speak your language. Were you able to understand that?
Yep, I already summarized it. Your getting more defensive. Maybe you should watch some more propoganda films and form firm opinions from it, it's seems like it's working well for you. Sorry, I'm just the ignorant "left" and your the smart "right." And since I'm the left all the left must be just like me and own and use guns, regularly volunteer for the police departments, want smaller government, want fair and lower taxes across the board, and believe in humans rights being protected regardless of race, sexual orientation, or sex. I should probably be more like you and believe everything your party tells you to believe. I'll start Watching/listening to terrible sources for my info and just hope they are true because I want them to be.
Jonah
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Doubling from 1.2 million votes in 2012 to a possible 2.4 million in 2016 would be impressive to some and a disappointment to others, especially considering Johnson is running against the two most unpopular major party candidates in modern history. Whether it’s one or two percent of the vote total doesn’t really matter, the Libertarian Party is still a fringe party, not anywhere close to being a real contender in presidential politics.
I have many libertarian values (ending the war on drugs, cutting the bloated defense budget, reducing military intervention, ending corporate welfare, and curtailing government surveillance, to name a few) and hope this continued failure to connect with the electorate causes sincere reflection and a revaluation of strategy and priorities within the Libertarian Party.
Despite your protestations, there are a lot of people, both libertarians and potential supporters such as myself, that are upset about the Koch brothers influence. It’s even possible that corporate, Koch-style libertarianism, expoused by the Cato Institute and Reason magazine, might be part of the problem, a legitimate reason for the party’s inability to escape fringe status.
Here’s a critique from Noam Chomsky, a left libertarian, on the Koch brand of libertarianism:
"Well what’s called libertarian in the United States, which is a special U.S. phenomenon, it doesn’t really exist anywhere else — a little bit in England — permits a very high level of authority and domination but in the hands of private power: so private power should be unleashed to do whatever it likes. The assumption is that by some kind of magic, concentrated private power will lead to a more free and just society. . . that kind of libertarianism, in my view, in the current world, is just a call for some of the worst kinds of tyranny, namely unaccountable private tyranny.”
Another critique from Matt Yglesias, not someone who identifies as a libertarian, but who shares many libertarian values, just not the corporate stooge aspect of libertarianism that currently predominates:
"Thinkers affiliated with the libertarian movement have had many smart things to say on individual topics, but the overall concept of a state apparatus that simply sits on the sideline watching the free market roll along is impossibly utopian. People are going to try to manipulate the state to advance their own ends. . . The predominant cause of people seeing libertarians as shills for business interests is the fact that an awful lot of shilling for business interests does, in fact, take place under the banner of self-described libertarian institutions.”
A few years ago Ralph Nader suggested a left-right alliance between his supporters and libertarians to help dismantle the corporate state that controls so much of our politics and our daily lives. Needless to say nothing ever came of it. It’s hard to turn your back on the tens of millions of dollars the Koch brothers have provided over the past few decades to influence the direction of libertarianism in the United States, but it might be the best opportunity for libertarians to break free and finally become competitive.
Hotdog
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Im actually not on the right either. Just more annoyed with the left at the current moment.
Id say I have a mixture of views from both sides.
Im not against immigration. I dont go to church. I believe in spending more on education. Against abortion. Im for unions. Against war. Support cops and law. For safety nets like social security and medicare. Against never ending welfare for capable people. For Gay rights and marriage.
Im just tired of the constant race baiting the left is doing. I really believe its not right and its causing a lot of problems. Its cheap attacks on people who dont deserve it. Tired of the left media and its ridiculous reporting on things like cop shootings and how they feed the narrative that the cops are all out there looking to hurt non white people. Im just tired of all the excuses people are making these days. I think its a poor way to teach people how to live their lives. Its harmful. Not helpful. Its terrible life philosophy to teach people that they are oppressed and they should blame someone else for their problems.
Thats it. Thats all the point Im really trying to make.
[MENTION=2298]Computer[/MENTION] Do you believe racism exists in this country? What percentage of the population is racist? Are minorities at a disadvantage in this country? Do you make judgements of people because of their race? If so do any of those hurt those people?
I see racism every day and I see it hurting people. I don't have what you call white guilt. I understand I'm sometimes racist and need to admit that, understand where it comes from and try and correct it.
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I see racism every day and I see it hurting people. I don't have what you call white guilt. I understand I'm sometimes racist and need to admit that, understand where it comes from and try and correct it.
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Hotdog
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I dont believe its as rampant as its made out to be. Its a very small number on both sides who make a lot of noise. I dont subscribe to this new definition of racism either. Where only white people can be racist. Thats a new narrative being pushed by the left too.
I dont believe that just because someone is white they have to admit they are part of the problem. Thats actually racist.
I believe that in America you can have a good life no matter what your skin color is. Its all about your attitude. There is plenty of evidence to support that too.
That's how your posts have come across to me, but with a hint of anger.
Brilliant.
Where do you live that you see racism every day hurting people? I never see racism hurting people, in fact I see the opposite on many occasions.
Maneesh
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My Case for Trump
Article: by Skankhunt42
- He will build the wall to keep us safe from the Mexicans
- He will make sure that the ghetto remains in the ghetto and allow the police to make sure that they are frisked fer coming into neighborhoods like mine.
- He will throw out all the terrorists and make them so no muslim can come back here because they all are terrorists.
- He will make sure Hillary Clinton goes to Prison!
- He like guns and the millitary
- He will tell women to get back in der kitchen!
- All political correctness will be in the toilet. Thank god for that!
- He will make America great again.
Thank you for reading and I hope this can persuade you to vote for my favorite. Donald Trump
Article: by Skankhunt42
- He will build the wall to keep us safe from the Mexicans
- He will make sure that the ghetto remains in the ghetto and allow the police to make sure that they are frisked fer coming into neighborhoods like mine.
- He will throw out all the terrorists and make them so no muslim can come back here because they all are terrorists.
- He will make sure Hillary Clinton goes to Prison!
- He like guns and the millitary
- He will tell women to get back in der kitchen!
- All political correctness will be in the toilet. Thank god for that!
- He will make America great again.
Thank you for reading and I hope this can persuade you to vote for my favorite. Donald Trump
Salt lake city, Utah
Maybe referring to affirmative action?
just thought it was funny how he worded it
Find one post within the context of a discussion, i.e., evidence was supplied in a previous post, where I am guilty of any of the bolded points. Or are you just flippantly shooting out of your *** again? I will give you that there is anger. I am fine to live and let live on many things. Trump isn't one of them. His candidacy has shaken my very being, so yes I am unsettled.
As far as not learning from people, I can't help your perception. I learn from many people on this forum, and I am willing to be proven wrong or swayed on anything if there is evidence and the person making the claim is not obviously an idiot. I normally learn about things other than basketball the most from a few select posters on this forum, e.g., Red, Jonah, Siro, Dalamon, and occasionally you, when your posts aren't buried so far under sarcasm and supercilious sanctimony (there are a few others as well). I will admit that I am also pretentious at times and respond to people's comments in a less than helpful way. What will you admit? I get enough horse **** around the internet. I appreciate when people don't speak it.
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I want to respond to this but I'm not sure you want to actually have a discussion about it. If so I'll take the time to respond later.
Triggered.
Red
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Another day, another crackpot conspiracy theory from our Crackpot-in-Chief:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-immigrants-are-crossing-the-border-to-vote/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-immigrants-are-crossing-the-border-to-vote/
I was thinking more of how some of us subconsciously treat AA's better because our latent racism makes us feel guilty and uncomfortable. For example, I've found that I have a tendency to tip black waiters a little heavier. I think a lot of people promote black people for similar reasons and not purely for Affirmative Action. That and they tend to be cooler on average than white people. << Don't fract me for that racist comment.
Jonah
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Informative, data-based article by Sam Wang on the increasingly partisan divide of presidential elections:
https://prospect.org/article/hardened-divide-american-politics-0
"Although news reports and commentators during this year’s presidential election have focused on twists in the race and shifts in polls, the real story about campaigns since the mid-1990s is how little movement there is during a general election. American voters are much less open to persuasion by the other side than they used to be.”
The decline in the volatility of the electorate over the course of recent campaigns is what allows aggregators like Wang and Nate Silver to predict not only the outcomes of elections so early and accurately, but to assign high probability ratios with such confidence. Clinton had a bad week prior to the first debate, but since that time she has bounced back and is nearing her highest levels of win probability. Wang, as of today, has her at a 93 percent chance of winning and Silver has her at over 80 percent.
https://prospect.org/article/hardened-divide-american-politics-0
"Although news reports and commentators during this year’s presidential election have focused on twists in the race and shifts in polls, the real story about campaigns since the mid-1990s is how little movement there is during a general election. American voters are much less open to persuasion by the other side than they used to be.”
The decline in the volatility of the electorate over the course of recent campaigns is what allows aggregators like Wang and Nate Silver to predict not only the outcomes of elections so early and accurately, but to assign high probability ratios with such confidence. Clinton had a bad week prior to the first debate, but since that time she has bounced back and is nearing her highest levels of win probability. Wang, as of today, has her at a 93 percent chance of winning and Silver has her at over 80 percent.