Uh....and a future first he said, too. Why not a dealership while we are at it?
New Draft Express Mock - Exum to #6
- Thread starter My2Cents
- Start date
Uh....and a future first he said, too. Why not a dealership while we are at it?
Well this is the bias of fans. If you go by what experts are saying it's a 3-4 person draft in tier 1 (depending on where you count Exum) with Embiid being in his own tier. I've read the threads all year about doomsday scenarios where the Jazz aren't in a position for a franchise player, and guess what, that's the position you're in now (hence the Aaron Gordon hate threads here).
The NBA is built on superstars, and your fans have complained about the limited ceiling of your players (no franchise players on your roster). To get a franchise player prospect, there's a premium to be paid. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Exum isn't available at 5 (or if Philly is TREMENDOUSLY high on Vonleh).
So yes, you now rationalize that being in the 5th position and having your choice of tier 2 prospects that there isn't a huge gulf between tier 1 and 2. I'm just telling you that going by consensus, the assets required to move up into tier 1 are higher than what you'd think.
EX: Jazz fans want to give up Kanter (we all know you hate him). Every fanbase outside of the Jazz are looking for Favors.
Now, you can gripe all you want, but at the end of the day the Bucks/Sixers are in a position perfectly content to draft at their spot, with Cleveland perhaps folding to immediate "win now" pressures. The onus is on the Jazz to move up, not the other way around. And it's that type of onus that led to the Sixers getting Noel/10th for Jrue last year.
I don't think anyone is griping. They're just telling you to stuff it. It's too much to give up for a player in a top tier that, with the possible exception of Embiid, may not actually contain any superstars.
CALJAZZFAN
Well-Known Member
Could you elaborate on the "consensus" part? We may overvalue our players, but you seem to be undervaluing them. I don't recall anyone giving up that much to move up two spots. We're not talking once a decade players in this draft, it's just a stronger draft than the last few years. There are no sure things in this draft, such as a Magic Johnson or Tim Duncan (just examples).
You think it's fair to gut your partner for getting the player you want anyway?
If you guys covet Favors more than Kanter, I'd happily give you Favors and #5 for #3. Burks AND an additional pick on top of that is steep and you know it.
At any rate, I appreciate the input, and I'm sure everyone else does too.
It's steep, but I don't know about WAY too much.
fishonjazz
Well-Known Member
Contributor
2018 Award Winner
2019 Award Winner
20-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
2025 Award Winner
My god.
If Exum is there at #5 you take him if you have him rated higher than any other player. And if you like another guy better than what you have on your roster then you look to do business with a team who doesn't want their pick. You don't gut your team so you are back in the lottery year after year.
Jazz want Gordon or another player then they shop a pick + a young guy. If the Jazz get Exum, then Trey can be traded. DL gets on the phone and starts calling every GM with a pick behind #5. See if he can make a deal.
There is no one in this draft worth Kanter, Burks, #5 and another #1. Maybe Embiid if he had no health issues.
Jazz want Gordon or another player then they shop a pick + a young guy. If the Jazz get Exum, then Trey can be traded. DL gets on the phone and starts calling every GM with a pick behind #5. See if he can make a deal.
There is no one in this draft worth Kanter, Burks, #5 and another #1. Maybe Embiid if he had no health issues.
Yea it is way too much. Beside the fact most people sitting at the top three know a team will have to way over pay. I think it is better to find a second lottery pick or FA then gut the team so you have a potential star and two other pieces. By the time this "star" is ready he will want to go to another team because he realizes he has no chance of winning.
Yah I'm just trying to be objective.
Likewise, on realgm.com (Xepa777) I equally bash stupid Sixers fans who think they can get the first pick from Cleveland for 3 and Thad Young. It goes both ways ya know?
So much of this draft will really be predicated by:
1) Does Cleveland keep its pick and who they draft 1
2) Does Orlando take Exum or Smart
3) How much are the Jazz willing to mortgage for Jabari
Honestly though, if Exum falls to you, I wouldn't trade the pick. Just draft Exum. I'm just going by the parameters laid out by reports. Personally I like Jabari more than Wiggins, but that's irrelevant because the Sixers like Wiggins more so all my arguments have to center around that fact.
Those are the 3 main variables in play here, and it will be exciting to see how it unfolds. I'm thoroughly enjoying the browsing between here, realgm, and realcavsfans.