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[candrew]

His lines were solid but nothing spectatcular. Richmond Webb peaked as a rookie imo. So did the rookie LG next to him. I forget his name. He may have had Stephenson but not for that long if I remember correctly. All in all, his lines were average. Maybe slightly above average.

Miami always had veteran offensive lineman.

Keith Simms, Jeff Dellenbach, Richmond Webb, Tim Ruddy were all All-Pros at one time or another in their career.

The Dolphins turned it around in the early 90's when they drafted Richmond Webb - I don't think that was a coincidence.

Before that you had Dwight Stephenson who many think to this day is the best Center in the history of the NFL.

You also had Ed Newman and Roy Foster who were multi year All-Pros. Jon Giesler (who I could have sworn was an All-Pro at one time in his career) and Ron Heller were top shelf veterans.

I remember the year Marino blew out his achillies and they put in that POS Scott Mitchell who managed to string together a few good games. Any success he had was due to the fact that Miami had the best OL in the league. When he was traded to Detroit he was exposed as the mediocrity that he was.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

6 Jamaal Charles, KC RB
15 Michael Turner, Atl RB
26 Darren McFadden, Oak RB
35 Miles Austin, Dal WR
46 Brandon Lloyd, Den WR
55 Peyton Manning, Ind QB
66 Mark Ingram, NO RB
75 Tim Hightower, Wsh RB
86 Roy Williams, Chi WR
95 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
106 Antonio Brown, Pit WR
115 Lions D/ST D/ST
126 Kellen Winslow, TB TE
135 Sebastian Janikowski, Oak K
146 Ronnie Brown, Phi RB
155 Saints D/ST D/ST

Rank that fantasy draft. Ten team league, picked 6th overall.

 

[candrew]

6 Jamaal Charles, KC RB
15 Michael Turner, Atl RB
26 Darren McFadden, Oak RB
35 Miles Austin, Dal WR
46 Brandon Lloyd, Den WR
55 Peyton Manning, Ind QB
66 Mark Ingram, NO RB
75 Tim Hightower, Wsh RB
86 Roy Williams, Chi WR
95 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
106 Antonio Brown, Pit WR
115 Lions D/ST D/ST
126 Kellen Winslow, TB TE
135 Sebastian Janikowski, Oak K
146 Ronnie Brown, Phi RB
155 Saints D/ST D/ST

Rank that fantasy draft. Ten team league, picked 6th overall.

Good job - with the Chris Johnson situation unresolved I think you can argue you have 3 of the top 6 backs in the league right now. You can't argue with Manning at 55 and Ingram at 66 is a great value pick.

My only criticism would be if this is not a points per reception league Austin should not have been the best receiver available at 35. I think if Dez Bryant keeps his head on straight, pushes Austin to be the #1 receiver in Dallas - or at least #1A.

 

[Brown Notes]

6 Jamaal Charles, KC RB
15 Michael Turner, Atl RB
26 Darren McFadden, Oak RB
35 Miles Austin, Dal WR
46 Brandon Lloyd, Den WR
55 Peyton Manning, Ind QB
66 Mark Ingram, NO RB
75 Tim Hightower, Wsh RB
86 Roy Williams, Chi WR
95 Matthew Stafford, Det QB
106 Antonio Brown, Pit WR
115 Lions D/ST D/ST
126 Kellen Winslow, TB TE
135 Sebastian Janikowski, Oak K
146 Ronnie Brown, Phi RB
155 Saints D/ST D/ST

Rank that fantasy draft. Ten team league, picked 6th overall.

I Like Ronnie Brown, Ingram, Stafford, Manning and Turner. You are going to be let down by the Saints D. and Lloyd/Austin. Great round to take Winslow though.

I think you are going to lose.

 

[Brown Notes]

Just as an aside I would love it if FF never reared it's head in a thread for the NFL again.

IMO FF poisons all fans and causes normally loyal guys to root for the wrong team.

I won't miss it. Go Browns!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just as an aside I would love it if FF never reared it's head in a thread for the NFL again.

IMO FF poisons all fans and causes normally loyal guys to root for the wrong team.

I won't miss it. Go Browns!

I don't really agree with that. I will always be loyal to the Saints, and cheer for them over any of my fantasy players. Fantasy only extends my interest to other teams. If I didn't play fantasy, I really wouldn't care about any other team in the league at all.

Oh, and Dez Bryant was picked right before I got Austin. And yes, its a .5 points per reception league.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Miami always had veteran offensive lineman.

Keith Simms, Jeff Dellenbach, Richmond Webb, Tim Ruddy were all All-Pros at one time or another in their career.

The Dolphins turned it around in the early 90's when they drafted Richmond Webb - I don't think that was a coincidence.

Before that you had Dwight Stephenson who many think to this day is the best Center in the history of the NFL.

You also had Ed Newman and Roy Foster who were multi year All-Pros. Jon Giesler (who I could have sworn was an All-Pro at one time in his career) and Ron Heller were top shelf veterans.

I remember the year Marino blew out his achillies and they put in that POS Scott Mitchell who managed to string together a few good games. Any success he had was due to the fact that Miami had the best OL in the league. When he was traded to Detroit he was exposed as the mediocrity that he was.

I knew there was a Center I was forgetting about but I still think my point still stands somewhat, in that if the line was as good as you're thinking they would've been able to to produce an avg running back or propel an avg running back to look above avg. Heck I remember the RB's (Byars for example) more for pass catching then running, heck Bernie Parmalee & Jabbar (the only RB to rush for 1k yrds in Marino's career but only did it in his rookie year) might've been the best runners they had and they were avg to below avg at best.

Oh and what's with the Mitchell hate? He was a 4th round pick that managed to have a season with 4K+ yrds and 32 TD on a team with one of the worst QB history and overall losing (like the Clips) in the NFL, now if you brought up the Lions OL's back then they're absolutely terrible. Although it appears they're turning it around (I hope) as I've always loved Sanders he's the best RB I've seen play IMO.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Miami always had veteran offensive lineman.

Keith Simms, Jeff Dellenbach, Richmond Webb, Tim Ruddy were all All-Pros at one time or another in their career.

The Dolphins turned it around in the early 90's when they drafted Richmond Webb - I don't think that was a coincidence.

Before that you had Dwight Stephenson who many think to this day is the best Center in the history of the NFL.

You also had Ed Newman and Roy Foster who were multi year All-Pros. Jon Giesler (who I could have sworn was an All-Pro at one time in his career) and Ron Heller were top shelf veterans.

I remember the year Marino blew out his achillies and they put in that POS Scott Mitchell who managed to string together a few good games. Any success he had was due to the fact that Miami had the best OL in the league. When he was traded to Detroit he was exposed as the mediocrity that he was.

Dellenbach never made a pro bowl.
Ruddy made one as a second alternate. Color me unimpressed. Michael Lewis made one as a strong safety for the Eagles. As a starter. And he's sucked ever since. One pro bowl appearance does not mean a player is anything special.
Stephenson, as I originally said, only played til 87, a season in which he played just nine games due to his career-ending injury, so only for about a fourth of Marino's career.
Newman only played 'til 84 for them. Great. So he played for about a year and a half with Marino.
Webb and Simms, as already admitted by myself were good players, a bit better than I gave them credit for. Foster was solid too. I forgot about him

This doesn't change anything. I originally said he had solid lines, maybe slightly above average and I stand by that. That's all they were.

 

[candrew]

I knew there was a Center I was forgetting about but I still think my point still stands somewhat, in that if the line was as good as you're thinking they would've been able to to produce an avg running back or propel an avg running back to look above avg. Heck I remember the RB's (Byars for example) more for pass catching then running, heck Bernie Parmalee & Jabbar (the only RB to rush for 1k yrds in Marino's career but only did it in his rookie year) might've been the best runners they had and they were avg to below avg at best.

Jabbar and Parmalee had bad careers because they were bad running backs. Jabbar couldn't break a tackle to save his life - that's not the OL fault. Parmalee was a special teams player at best on most other clubs.

Byers wasn't a runner - never was. He made his living (and the All-Pro Team one year) as a receiver out of the backfield.

Right or wrong, The Dolphins didn't have a developed running game because they never bothered to develop one. Shula decided very early on that he was going to live and die on Marino's arm. Even still Dolphins running backs generally had decent yards per carry numbers thoughout most of the 80's and early 90's - they just didn't run a lot. In a different system for example, I'm pretty convinced Tony Nathan would have been a multi year 1000 yard rusher.l

 

[candrew]

Dellenbach never made a pro bowl.
Ruddy made one as a second alternate. Color me unimpressed. Michael Lewis made one as a strong safety for the Eagles. As a starter. And he's sucked ever since. One pro bowl appearance does not mean a player is anything special.
Stephenson, as I originally said, only played til 87, a season in which he played just nine games due to his career-ending injury, so only for about a fourth of Marino's career.
Newman only played 'til 84 for them. Great. So he played for about a year and a half with Marino.
Webb and Simms, as already admitted by myself were good players, a bit better than I gave them credit for. Foster was solid too. I forgot about him

This doesn't change anything. I originally said he had solid lines, maybe slightly above average and I stand by that. That's all they were.

Sigh.....when does school start again?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Sigh.....when does school start again?

I'm having trouble deciphering your take on my post.

 

[candrew]

I'm having trouble deciphering your take on my post.

I'm just joking dude.

I really have nothing to add. Other than the 84 Dolphins OL gave up 13 sacks in 18 games. Now you'll probably attribute that to a young Marino and his quick release and you may have somewhat of a point; but those numbers are unbelievable as were most sack %'s for the Dolphin OL. I challenge you to find a better sacks-per-pass-attempt numbers in NFL history than The Dolphins OL throughout the mid 80's to mid 90's.

I have no problem saying the 84-86 OLs and the 93-94 OLs for the Dolphins were easily two of the best in my lifetime.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm just joking dude.

I really have nothing to add. Other than the 84 Dolphins OL gave up 13 sacks in 18 games. Now you'll probably attribute that to a young Marino and his quick release and you may have somewhat of a point; but those numbers are unbelievable as were most sack %'s for the Dolphin OL. I challenge you to find a better sacks-per-pass-attempt numbers in NFL history than The Dolphins OL throughout the mid 80's to mid 90's.

I have no problem saying the 84-86 OLs and the 93-94 OLs for the Dolphins were easily two of the best in my lifetime.

I'm not gonna look up the numbers because I'd be shocked if Marino didn't have the best sacks per game or per pass attempt virtually every year. But if we're ranking why, I say very confidently that it has much more to do with his quick release and sidestep ability than his offensive line. His o-lines were nothing like the Alex Gibbs o-lines, the Hogs, those huge Cowboys lines, the semi-recent Chiefs ones with Willie Roaf and on and on. They were solid lines but not much else.

 

[KatieMCR]

I'm surprised this thread is so quite this close to the start of Week 1.

The 49ers got good news today. No suspension for Braylon Edwards. That signing looks that much better now.

Interesting that the Jaguars cut Garrard. Wonder who will end up signing him now.

 

[Brown Notes]

I don't want to jinx them anymore. Since the thread started 3 Browns have gone to IR and my starting RT is in a walking boot. On the other hand, it looks more and more like Manning is having a lot more trouble with his neck injury than was originally let out. Nobody knows when he is gonna play, almost definitely not week 1. So my earlier scenario looks pretty likely.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Some team out there needs Garrard. '9ers? 'Skins?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Some team out there needs Garrard. '9ers? 'Skins?

If the Jags would have released him a while ago, the Colts could have signed Garrad to a one year deal of some kind.

 

[bigb]

Garrard will surely be picked up by someone. Seattle when they realize Jackson sucks?
How long before Gabbert starts in Jacksonville? I'd bet if not before the bye week, it will be the first game after.

 

[candrew]

I don't want to jinx them anymore. Since the thread started 3 Browns have gone to IR and my starting RT is in a walking boot.

I selected Greg Little as one of my late round picks in my fantasy league. He looks super talented and I've heard he's going to start immediately. Considering they're playing the Bengals, I think he could definitely be one of those Week 1 surprises that racks up big numbers.

Do you have any impression of him yet?

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Also the Bills need a QB so that is another possible spot and although not likely it wouldn't be a far move if Carolina picked him up so they don't have throw Newton to the fire.