NFL Talk

[fatchipper]

Wait, you are suggesting that they shouldn't draft Luck because he is too good to be a backup for a year? This makes no sense. Get the best player available.

No. I'm saying Barkley and Jones will be top 5 QB's in the NFL in 2-3 years. Manning has 2-3 good years left. You trade the first pick, get additional picks and trade down a couple spots to snag either Barkley or Jones. I like Barkley a little more than Jones so that's who I would take.

I agree with you that Manning shouldn't be traded. I'm saying you can improve your team while getting a top flight QB in the process and having him learn from Manning for a couple years.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

No. I'm saying Barkley and Jones will be top 5 QB's in the NFL in 2-3 years. Manning has 2-3 good years left. You trade the first pick, get additional picks and trade down a couple spots to snag either Barkley or Jones. I like Barkley a little more than Jones so that's who I would take.

I agree with you that Manning shouldn't be traded. I'm saying you can improve your team while getting a top flight QB in the process and having him learn from Manning for a couple years.

Barkley and Jones being top five qb's in the league ever, let alone 2-3 years is a pipe dream.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Trading Manning would be stupid. He has been everything to that franchise. Keep him, let him play another year if his health permits. If it doesn't, have him restructure his contract to have him on board as a mentor to Luck.

reer, you do it.

Stupid? He's 35. If you draft 22 year old Luck and have the chance to get multiple first rounders for a 35 year old qb who's past his prime, has serious injury concerns, and has won just one Super Bowl for his storied career, you do it. Luck, and many high picks over two years could net a ton of talent.

Loyalty is a bad trait held by many, many teams and front office people. If the Colts are smart, they'll ignore any such desire to be loyal.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

I think what is apparent in Manning's absence is that without Manning the Colts are just a very poor team. I'm not sure what I would do were I in the Colts position. They can draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning for the next 2-3 years and hope that in that time they can rebuild the role players around him, but will Manning want to spend his remaining years trying to drag a rebuilding team up from the basement?

The idea of trading down for Barkley has some merit to it as then you can add some quality players with more picks, while obtaining a QB for the future. After watching the USC-Stanford game I think Barkley is probably the next best available QB after Luck.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No. I'm saying Barkley and Jones will be top 5 QB's in the NFL in 2-3 years. Manning has 2-3 good years left. You trade the first pick, get additional picks and trade down a couple spots to snag either Barkley or Jones. I like Barkley a little more than Jones so that's who I would take.

I agree with you that Manning shouldn't be traded. I'm saying you can improve your team while getting a top flight QB in the process and having him learn from Manning for a couple years.

Who is dropping out of the Top 5 club when these guys join it in 2-3 years? Also, it's not even guaranteed Manning has any years left in him. He may comeback the 1st game of next season, get sacked, aggravate his neck and it would all be over.

 

[bigb]

Nothing is a guarantee. Luck may get sacked and break his leg a la Theisman on his first snap.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nothing is a guarantee. Luck may get sacked and break his leg a la Theisman on his first snap.

Thank you Sherlock Holmes. The chances of Manning getting injured or never recovering from his injury are pretty high.

 

[KatieMCR]

Today in NFL features a matchup of Utah vs BYU. Alex Smith and the 49ers vs John Beck and the Redskins. 49ers about to improve to 7-1.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Glad to see Miami win one. Unfortunately for them, they got too far ahead to 'inexplicably' completely fall apart in the 4th, so they decided against it.

 

[KatieMCR]

49ers are now 7-1, with a big game coming next week. The New York Giants are coming to San Francisco. Should be a good game. Giants will be a tough matchup, but I think the 49ers will come out on top to improve to 8-1.

At 7-1 the 49ers now lead the division by 5 games over Seattle. Completely running away with the division title.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Are the 49ers 7-1? TELL ME, SOMEONE!!!

 

[candrew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sd30CuWSa0

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Couldn't tell if Tebow actually played well this game, or the Raiders' defense was just that terrible.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

 

[Stifle Tower]

49ers are now 7-1, with a big game coming next week. The New York Giants are coming to San Francisco. Should be a good game. Giants will be a tough matchup, but I think the 49ers will come out on top to improve to 8-1.

At 7-1 the 49ers now lead the division by 5 games over Seattle. Completely running away with the division title.

Reminds me of the Ravens' SB season with Trent Dilfer. Not saying the 49er's will make the SB; I don't think they can possibly get by GB. SF has a horrible pass defense. But Harbaugh is managing the games much like Billick did in 2000. Rely on a strong running attack, a stingy defense, and just ask the QB to make good decisions and not commit TO's. Really, Smith is not a whole lot better than the past couple of seasons EXCEPT for the TO's. He's only had 2 Int's thus far against 10 TD's. That's a great ratio. He still fumbles too much due to his small hands. And his avg passing yards/per game are down from the last couple of seasons. So efficiency and lack of TO's are the major change this season. Smith ain't a franchise QB, but he's done a decent job so far. Perhaps upgrade in FA next year and add a couple more impact players via the draft (shut-down CB and a franchise WR) and they could be contenders.

 

[bigb]

With the Pats loss, the AFC East is in a three way tie for first, with all three having beaten each other once. Until next week when my Jets beat NE to take over the lead.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

With the Pats loss, the AFC East is in a three way tie for first, with all three having beaten each other once. Until next week when my Jets beat NE to take over the lead.

I don't want to say no way that happens because most of us have watched sports long enough to realize even the greats are dethroned and fade away but I highly, HIGHLY doubt that the Pats lose three games in a row. In fact, I'd venture a guess and say they've never lost three in a row in the Brady/Belichick era. Maybe that one year (I think after their first SB win) when they went 7-9.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Glad to see Miami win one. Unfortunately for them, they got too far ahead to 'inexplicably' completely fall apart in the 4th, so they decided against it.

I watched the game and some plays it appeared that Marshall was still running to not score a TD early on but he did finally catch a TD (he's had 4 or 5 dropped TD's this year).
Anyway as a Phins fan it's nice to finally see a Phins a win and serves the Chiefs right for knocking me out of the survivor pool.

 

[candrew]

I don't want to say no way that happens because most of us have watched sports long enough to realize even the greats are dethroned and fade away but I highly, HIGHLY doubt that the Pats lose three games in a row. In fact, I'd venture a guess and say they've never lost three in a row in the Brady/Belichick era. Maybe that one year (I think after their first SB win) when they went 7-9.

You're probably right; but I doubt NE has ever had a defense this bad either. The Giants were without two of their 3 best offensive players and still managed to score 24 points on them; which should have been 31 if not for a horrid goal line TO by Eli late in the 3rd.

 

[Brown Notes]

That Browns game was one of the ugliest I've seen since Mangini's opening year. Shurmur had better start having the team better prepared than that.

The two rookie guards have been getting beaten with regularity all season, the WRs don't ever seem to run hot routes and I rarely see McCoy do anything to account for an obvious blitz before the snap. Teams simply stack 8-9 in the box and on passing downs rush most of them. Of course it doesn't help to have all top 3 RBs out and playing 2 scrubs off the street.

Easily the worst game of the year for the Defense. Allowing the Texans to run the ball at will and never showed the fire I'd seen in other games. They just didn't come to play. Except Joe Haden, he's awesome.

Colt to this point has not done enough to burn teams over the top to punish them for this style of defense. I will say that kid is really tough, I don't know when I've ever seen somebody take that kind of beating game after game and keep fighting like he does. I can't put the offensive problems on him since our #1 WR is a rookie who had only played 1 year at WR in the first place for NC before missing last season and Hillis hasn't done anything but create distractions and miss games.

I guess this is just an evaluation year for Holmgren/Heckert. They could have brought in a good FA guard or WR and did not. Good thing they have all those draft picks because there are a lot of needs. After this game I'll be paying more attention to draft prospects, it looks like my Brownies will have 3 picks in the first 40 or so.

I sure hope Colt shows something so we can concentrate on the other many holes. CB, WR, OL, WLB, FS, RDE, and maybe RB too. I do like the front office and think they are doing it right, they are signing the players they want to keep and keeping plenty of money available for the future. These last 2 drafts have been the best since the return and there is a lot of confidence in Heckert in particular. The Julio Jones trade was great. 3 starters plus their #1 & #4 this year.