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No thread about the Filipowski fiasco?

Jazzman12 said:
I’ve posted more than once in this thread that the fact that the girl is mormon has ZERO to do with what’s concerning about this story and I find it incredibly ironic that you keep pointing out how we don’t know all the facts and shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions yet you’re coming at me assuming I have some sort of issue with her religious affiliation when I certainly don’t. Try to wrap your mind around the concept that one can believe this lady sexually groomed an underage Filipowski while not giving a damn about her religious preference's.

Aside from that, I found your grooming quote very telling, not at all surprising, and a good example as to why you and I should never attempt to spend any time together. Please don’t take offense to that, I’m sure you’d be just as miserable sharing space as I would be.
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First of all, you made assumptions toward me so I made them back. Fun, isn’t it.

My grooming quote? lol. I’m saying we don’t have enough info and you are providing nothing but speculation. Your assumptions are tremendous. I don’t know if grooming did or didn’t happen, but I refuse to speculate.

Try to wrap your head around that you are purely speculating, until you actually explain or provide something more than “I think it could have happened, so it probably did because I’m smart”, I’m not biting. Please understand, it may be hard… I’m not saying it did, I’m not saying it didn’t.

Yes, you are right, I would tire quickly sharing a room with you if you were assuming things about me or jumping to conclusions. It’s irritating innit.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
How is it obvious? How about you post why you think it’s obvious. I’m clearly not trolling the same waters you are.
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I'll speculate then. The only trolling going on was vageen trolling that top 5 national high school player and the millions that come with it. Just my speculation though.
 
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just listened to his introductory press conference. he doesn't sound like someone who could be 'groomed'. i'm done. she's hot and looks really fun and friendly. i will watch casually and see if it all works out.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
First of all, you made assumptions toward me so I made them back. Fun, isn’t it.

My grooming quote? lol. I’m saying we don’t have enough info and you are providing nothing but speculation. Your assumptions are tremendous. I don’t know if grooming did or didn’t happen, but I refuse to speculate.

Try to wrap your head around that you are purely speculating, until you actually explain or provide something more than “I think it could have happened, so it probably did because I’m smart”, I’m not biting. Please understand, it may be hard… I’m not saying it did, I’m not saying it didn’t.

Yes, you are right, I would tire quickly sharing a room with you if you were assuming things about me or jumping to conclusions. It’s irritating innit.
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What did I assume about you before you came at me with your assumptions? Just curious.

I found your quote about grooming to be cringeworthy. It’s certainly just my opinion- and it’s an opinion that I’m happy to standby but at the end of the day, it’s nothing more than that.

I’m not surprised, but I also see you sidestepping the fact that I have stated more than once that my opinion on this girl has zero to do with the fact that she’s mormon. I find it pretty hard to believe that a babysitter and her love interest magically became romantically involved once he turned 18. Not that I can or even should do anything about it, but I think the idea of a 25 year old woman entering into a relationship with a 16-17 year old kid whom she has known for several years prior is extremely not ok and IF that is what is happened here, I find it to be rather grotesque. As I’ve stated here already, an 8 year difference in age is not a bad thing most of the time, but I’m of the firm opinion that if one of them is a minor, it’s flat out wrong for quite a few reasons. If that’s something that we disagree on, I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised and I’d be just fine disagreeing with you and moving on.

If you’d like to continue the discussion, please drop the mormon angle. It’s not an issue I’ve had with the girl, I think it has zero to do with the question of whether she’s a predator or not, and I don’t think it’s fair to infer that his family or anybody else has a problem with this relationship because she’s LDS.
 
Jazzman12 said:
What did I assume about you before you came at me with your assumptions? Just curious.

I found your quote about grooming to be cringeworthy. It’s certainly just my opinion- and it’s an opinion that I’m happy to standby but at the end of the day, it’s nothing more than that.

I’m not surprised, but I also see you sidestepping the fact that I have stated more than once that my opinion on this girl has zero to do with the fact that she’s mormon. I find it pretty hard to believe that a babysitter and her love interest magically became romantically involved once he turned 18. Not that I can or even should do anything about it, but I think the idea of a 25 year old woman entering into a relationship with a 16-17 year old kid whom she has known for several years prior is extremely not ok and IF that is what is happened here, I find it to be rather grotesque. As I’ve stated here already, an 8 year difference in age is not a bad thing most of the time, but I’m of the firm opinion that if one of them is a minor, it’s flat out wrong for quite a few reasons. If that’s something that we disagree on, I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised and I’d be just fine disagreeing with you and moving on.

If you’d like to continue the discussion, please drop the mormon angle. It’s not an issue I’ve had with the girl, I think it has zero to do with the question of whether she’s a predator or not, and I don’t think it’s fair to infer that his family or anybody else has a problem with this relationship because she’s LDS.
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You pulled one line out of a response to someone else to assume you knew what I meant on and show disgust at. What’s wrong with me misunderstanding your viewpoint and being disgusted?

I’m fine dropping whatever you want, just know I also know you are way off base and misunderstand my point. Judge away though, free country and all.

Do we really know anything here. Did she babysit? At what ages? Was it when she was a teenager and they were younger? Is she really a cousin and not a babysitter? Did they get to know each other again when he was in HS? Then start dating when he was 18? Or when he was younger? My point is we have no stinking idea. It’s all heresay.

Could it have been. Sure. Could it have not been? Sure. We don’t know, but we all can guess based on our biases.
 
Jazzman12 said:
What did I assume about you before you came at me with your assumptions? Just curious.

I found your quote about grooming to be cringeworthy. It’s certainly just my opinion- and it’s an opinion that I’m happy to standby but at the end of the day, it’s nothing more than that.

I’m not surprised, but I also see you sidestepping the fact that I have stated more than once that my opinion on this girl has zero to do with the fact that she’s mormon. I find it pretty hard to believe that a babysitter and her love interest magically became romantically involved once he turned 18. Not that I can or even should do anything about it, but I think the idea of a 25 year old woman entering into a relationship with a 16-17 year old kid whom she has known for several years prior is extremely not ok and IF that is what is happened here, I find it to be rather grotesque. As I’ve stated here already, an 8 year difference in age is not a bad thing most of the time, but I’m of the firm opinion that if one of them is a minor, it’s flat out wrong for quite a few reasons. If that’s something that we disagree on, I wouldn’t necessarily be surprised and I’d be just fine disagreeing with you and moving on.

If you’d like to continue the discussion, please drop the mormon angle. It’s not an issue I’ve had with the girl, I think it has zero to do with the question of whether she’s a predator or not, and I don’t think it’s fair to infer that his family or anybody else has a problem with this relationship because she’s LDS.
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I get your point. I just want to comment on one detail. She was born in September 17 of 1997 and he was born in November 7 of 2003. They are 6 years apart, so the 16/17 with a 25 year old part is not true. Yes it is still a significant age difference that their first known date was his senior prom when he was 18 and she was 24, but it is less extreme than 16/17 with 25 which sounds potentially criminal in some states.
 
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I get your point. I just want to comment on one detail. She was born in September 17 of 1997 and he was born in November 7 of 2003. They are 6 years apart, so the 16/17 with a 25 year old part is not true. Yes it is still a significant age difference that their first known date was his senior prom when he was 18 and she was 24, but it is less extreme than 16/17 with 25 which sounds potentially criminal in some states.
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Thank you for that clarification and that does lessen the grossness of it- slightly. Also, with the 6 year age difference, if anything could be proven about the relationship starting while Kyle was 17, it would indeed be considered criminal. All I can speak to is how I’d feel about this situation as a father and it’s very easy for me to understand why Kyle’s family has such a problem with the relationship.

If one of my kids came to me at 18 and told me they were in a relationship with a 24 year old who’s had intimate access to the family since my kid was a younger teen, I would go through the roof. I’d also be highly suspect about the fact that the romance just so happened to begin once my child turned 18 as the odds of that being true in a situation like that would be slim to none.

I’ve already said this on the age difference, but it bears repeating, a 24 year old bringing home a 30 year old is a completely different ballgame than what Kyle’s situation is. Context in the age difference can sway what is and what isn’t acceptable pretty drastically. At the end of the day, if there’s people in here that are ok with their 17 year old bringing home a 23 year old, that’s certainly their right, just as it’s my right to think that’s some *** backwards hillbilly ****.

I feel bad for Kyle. I think he’s the victim in all of this. To me, it sure sounds like this woman is indeed a predator who has successfully snagged herself a young and unsuspecting NBA husband, and while Kyle is obviously a willing participant, it doesn’t make him any less of a victim. Some will disagree with that, and that’s fine. Learning what others do and do not find acceptable in a situation like this is a great way for folks to decide if the people they’re associating with share their core values. I hope Kyle kicks *** out on the court, I hope the situation with his family improves at some point, and even if I have serious doubts, I hope he has a good life ahead of him with his significant other. I do think his GF is a predator/groomer, but I’m certainly not gonna root for the dude to not be ok because of it.
 
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