Noah's Ark was round
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I love you. Let me say this though: As a father, I'm going to let my kids crash and burn more often than not, and if/when (ya right) they are stuck, they come to me for answers or advice, I'll probably give it to them. If they've been **** heads for 30 years and treated me and everyone else like dump, I may not be so inclined to help. I probably will, but that's just the liberal in me. I tend to believe that my God is the same way. I don't expect him to help me with anything, tbh, unless I'm really in a pickle and need some good old fashioned help or advice. I usually get it, too. Real problems that real people/others face are the domain of people who need to figure them out on their own, not the responsibility of a God. Just my two cents.
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carolinajazz
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THE global Deluge was not a natural disaster. It was a judgment from God. Warning was given, but it was largely ignored. Why? Jesus explained: “In those days before the flood, [people were] eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away.”—Matthew 24:38, 39.
Such an awesome catastrophe, if it really happened, would never have been completely forgotten. Hence, in many nations there are reminders of that destruction. Consider, for example, the precise date recorded in the Scriptures. The second month of the ancient calendar ran from what we now call mid-October to mid-November. So the 17th day corresponds approximately to the first of November. It may not be a coincidence, then, that in many lands, festivals for the dead are celebrated at that time of year.
Other evidences of the Deluge linger in mankind’s traditions. Practically all ancient peoples have a legend that their ancestors survived a global flood. African Pygmies, European Celts, South American Incas—all have similar legends, as do peoples of Alaska, Australia, China, India, Lithuania, Mexico, Micronesia, New Zealand, and parts of North America, to mention only a few.
Of course, over time the legends have been embellished, but they all include several details indicating a common source narrative: God was angered by mankind’s wickedness. He brought a great flood. Mankind as a whole was destroyed. A few righteous ones, however, were preserved. These built a vessel in which humans and animals were saved. In time, birds were sent out to search for dry land. Finally, the vessel came to rest on a mountain. Upon disembarking, the survivors offered a sacrifice.
What does this prove? The similarities cannot possibly be coincidental. The combined evidence of these legends corroborates the Bible’s ancient testimony that all humans descend from the survivors of a flood that destroyed a world of mankind. Hence, we do not need to rely on legends or myths to know what happened. We have the carefully preserved record in the Hebrew Scriptures of the Bible.—Genesis, chapters 6-8.
We live in times similar to those of Noah. We regularly hear about horrifying acts of terrorism, campaigns of genocide, mass killings by gunmen with little apparent motive, and domestic violence on a shocking scale. The earth has again become filled with violence, and as before, the world has been put on notice of a judgment to come. Jesus himself said that he would come as God’s appointed Judge and separate people as a shepherd separates sheep from goats.
What is the future of mankind, considering the coming momentous change? In the introduction to his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus promised: “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”
....kind of long, but it thoroughly answers your question!
The over-zealous Mo's on this site, of which I am one on occasion, aren't exempt from this buffoonery.
It's just so hard on you when we don't bow down to your beliefs, I suppose.
"My God" meaning the One I believe in... not all to myself. I use it as a phrase to mean the God as I see him.
You know Archie, I just don't think you know as much about elitism as I do.
Archie Moses
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I don't expect anybody to bow down to my beliefs. Just don't belittle them because you think your beliefs are superior.
I can't speak for the others, but it's not about displaying mental prowess for me. I wouldn't care if someone said "religion has enriched my life" or any such thing. But if you claim something as a universal fact, then you should expect to be challenged, because facts about the world affect all of us. So if you say something like "the Grand Canyon is evidence of the great flood", then you better expect some to disagree, because what you're saying has very real consequences. If modern geology is an inferior paradigm to your personal Biblical interpretations, then we better switch to those in a hurry, as it would help us create better earthquake models and such, which would save many lives.
And no, the fact that my disagreement hurts your feelings is of no concern to me. You decided to share with me a belief about the world, and as a part of that world, I am inclined to examine your belief. I don't understand why you haven't been able to move past this point for all of these years. There are more important things in life than having your faith go unchallenged. In fact, that's about the least important thing I can think of as far as the well-being and progress of humanity is concerned.
Keep in mind that I'm using the general "you" here. Not you specifically, Trout.
Hot damn, look at you. Welcome back, or something.
People don't understand why I'm such a dick all the time, even though that's usually a sign that I like a person. Makes sense to me, but some people still can't figure it out. I can't figure out why you feel the need to "challenge" someone, even if they state it as a fact, regarding their faith. Nikkk doesn't think it's fair game to mock his floral-ness, and I don't think it's fair game to go after someone's faith.
If I can continue to be a dick and feel good about it, I suppose you can continue to be a challenger and I can just hate that part of you. (and the whole BJ thing -- dude. why?)
Nothin' but love for you, holmes.
People don't understand why I'm such a dick all the time, even though that's usually a sign that I like a person. Makes sense to me, but some people still can't figure it out. I can't figure out why you feel the need to "challenge" someone, even if they state it as a fact, regarding their faith. Nikkk doesn't think it's fair game to mock his floral-ness, and I don't think it's fair game to go after someone's faith.
If I can continue to be a dick and feel good about it, I suppose you can continue to be a challenger and I can just hate that part of you. (and the whole BJ thing -- dude. why?)
Nothin' but love for you, holmes.
I like to challenge them because faith isn't just an immaterial and perfectly personal thing. It affects how people behave, what issues they oppose or support, how they see themselves and others, how they raise they children and how they treat their spouses. One's beliefs affect us all. Most importantly, people's beliefs can change. So if I see a belief that I find misguided or harmful in some way, I will challenge it. I expect others to treat me the same way. The last thing I want is to base my worldview on anything but my best attempt at finding what is true.
It is easy to forget how profoundly, and overwhelmingly positively, the world has changes in the past few hundred years. Witch trials were once a matter of faith. A mainstream one at that. But they were challenged and defeated. Accepting the world and its mores as they are, without reflection or complaint, is the immoral position to take. Not the opposite. Mormons understand this when they send their missionaries across the world, and I salute them for it.
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posts like this drive me bonkers. As if atheists are the only religious group who fit this description. Jesus.
You're challenging something that you can't prove either. Seems like a waste of time to me, but whatever floats your beaver I guess.
I choose to challenge Jason and the Mod staff to a pump-off.
I am humble in my belief system. I respect faith... whatever that looks like.
IRL.. none of you guys would survive a ****ing day negotiating important, financially, deals with me. Promise.
I respect faith, but sit across from me and think you get ANYTHING over on me when it's purely money.. you're toast. Come at me... minimum buy-in is around $5MM.
IRL.. none of you guys would survive a ****ing day negotiating important, financially, deals with me. Promise.
I respect faith, but sit across from me and think you get ANYTHING over on me when it's purely money.. you're toast. Come at me... minimum buy-in is around $5MM.