Which other details, specifically? The tensile strengh of the steel when heated? The burning temperature of the fuel? Whatg sort of details would make it convincing for you?
(not trying to be a provocateur) but it is September 11th
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Which other details, specifically? The tensile strengh of the steel when heated? The burning temperature of the fuel? Whatg sort of details would make it convincing for you?
thousands? not necessarily
NAOS
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before we go further, let me ask you a question. I know you are a smart guy, so I'm asking honestly. Based on the known causes of WTC 7's collapse, are you convinced that the building would fall on its own footprint at free-fall speed? Another question: if I'm not mistaken, WTC 7 isn't even mentioned in the 911 commission's report; why?
These things just bother me. That's all.
NAOS
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So, then, you're convinced that two airplanes caused all of that? Yes/No?
What's more plausible?
A. The structural damage from a jumbo jet crashing into the building and the resultant fire caused the steel frame to collapse under it's own weight and as a result of falling debris other buildings were damaged/destroyed
OR
B. There was a massive government cover up involving thousands of Americans to destroy several buildings and kill thousands of Americans and not a single person has blown the whistle
A. The structural damage from a jumbo jet crashing into the building and the resultant fire caused the steel frame to collapse under it's own weight and as a result of falling debris other buildings were damaged/destroyed
OR
B. There was a massive government cover up involving thousands of Americans to destroy several buildings and kill thousands of Americans and not a single person has blown the whistle
TheSilencer1313
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If I'm not mistaken, I have already listed multiple people that have blown the whistle.
There's multiple interviews with them all over youtube, and all of them were there.
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NAOS
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first of all, this thread was meant to discuss only WTC 7. Second of all, your pancaking theory doesn't explain why the building fell at free-fall speed.
Lastly, why should we limit the discussion to these two alternatives? That has been my point.... these options are ****.
Chris-L
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Isn't today the day we, as a nation, should think about and remember all those who lost their lives this day 11 years ago? And to honor all the ordinary people who became heroes by sacrificing their own lives to save the life of a stranger? Regardless of what caused it, all those people are still gone. I'm all for open discussion on any topic, but it just seems really ****ing disrespectful to focus on this topic, on this day.
Depends. If there was a government-knowing conspiracy, we'd be honoring those people, IMO. As it is, yes, we should be remembering those that lost their lives and the heroes.
You say "would fall" as if that is the only possible outcome. No, I don't think every building in that situation would fall into it's own footprint. However, a more appropriate standard is "could fall". Wildly unlikely things happen every day, and I see no reason why this building falling into it's own footprint is so unlikely as to merit wild conjecture.
As for the comission report, it is focused very heavily on rapid response, and thus chose to limit all events to the specific time frame between the time the first plane hit and the time the second building collapsed. The third collapse occured 7 hours later, well out of the rapid response time frame. No events after the fall of the second building were discussed in the report.
https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Whistle-blowers would have been people who participated in conspiratorial events. No such interviews are available.
Set aside the free-fall question a moment. Why are the theorists speaking of little fire in the bldg, when there's clearly enough fire/damage to warrant the firemen being pulled to a perimeter allowing for a fall zone? Why are the theorists acting like the bldg was in decent condition, but yet the firemen all knew (by looking at it) it was coming down?
PearlWatson
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The "moments of silence" were for the people who lost their lives in the planes and towers, not for the planes and towers themselves.
There were no lives lost in "building 7" right?
Wait. Are you pro-conspiracy or not?
Chris-L
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Ya I get that. I guess my point was missed due to the neg reps. I meant we have every single other day of the year to discuss the why's and how's and what happened. Today is to focus on the people, the lives, the souls. And if we don't know anyone who lost their lives, to just rememeber how fragile life is and how lucky we are to still be alive and with our loved ones.
I, for one, understood your point and appreciated it. Don't think you're exactly correct, but I get it.
I'm not qualified to be convinced one way or another. However, I've seen the other side of these conspiracies enough to know just how much b.s. they are. It's not uncommon for the folks I work with to be charged with conspiracy by everyone from the public to the press to Federal District attorneys to industry to special interest groups to intellects working in universities. We're low & meaningless enough to get away with some of it on a very small scale, but nothing with any sort of impact & more than 3-4 people involved would ever last time without leaking out.
I've also seen the know nothings charging intelligencia with idiocy because they aren't smart enough to understand what academia is telling them. I will default to academia nearly every time & trust the universe of professionals has a disinterest in covering up something so meaningful (let alone the trivial stuff that they still tend to fight tooth & nail protecting their academic crown). If there were reasons to be suspiscious then the curiosity of industry experts would get the better of them & find it out.
On to more Dr. Jones--For all I know, the whole free fall concept put out by Dr. Jones hinges entirely on one dubious amateur video with questionable measurement techniques used over a very short timeframe. There is no real physics involved in the analysis. (How I'd love Colton to shed some light here but I suspect he would never say anything out of good character.) I understand the Mormon mindframe of the Dr. Jones types. Their entire life is centered around the concept of Gadianton Robbers (the BofM version of illuminati) who are working secret combinations to overthrow humanity & usher in Lucifer's reign on the throne in Jerusalem. This concept consumes every aspect of their lives. To them, when 9-11 happened, it was the devil who did it through his secret combinations & it is their scripture commanded duty to prove it. Facts don't get in the way.
NAOS
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fair.
But, if a scientist knows that some cosmic event is POSSIBLE because of her rational deduction from known laws, that doesn't mean she's not wildly curious to study said event if it does, in fact, happen.
But, our conversation has been down this road. You think an appropriate investigation was carried out. I have doubts.