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Nov 9 2019 - UTAH JAZZ vs TORONTO RAPTORS CGT

LifeOnaPlate said:
TOs are down, FT% is up, Hayward looked good, Favors and Kanter look to be improving, Burks had a decent game. We won the second half. (Some of which was garbage time of course.) I'm hoping more of these losses lead to a Corbin firing.
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Keep in mind that having crap talent has to make coaching difficult. But yeah im not overly thrilled with the coaching.
 
Stoked said:
Hayward is excelling and Burks is showing growth in the 6th man role. Kanter is an elite offensive rebounder, Gobert is a rebounding shot altering force. Favors and Kanter assist at a decent rate so far. Kanter has had a high FG and FT % until this last game. Favors has decent rebounding. Hayward and Burks continue to assist at a decent rate despite having **** talent around them outside the bigs.

But hey the sky is falling. Make sure you get all the pieces.
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I agree about Hayward. Burks I would argue is the same player he was when he first entered the NBA... which isn't bad really but I don't see him doing anything different or improving at anything. I wish he could play with the starters more.

Kanter's defensive rebounding and defense in general has been abysmal. And by every advanced statistical measure, Favors has actually regressed pretty sharply this season.

Now, I'm not putting all the blame on Favors/Kanter, as I think Corbin is a terrible coach and has done nothing to put them in a position to succeed. Hell, offensively he's trying to have us go through Favors the exact same way we went through Al Jefferson, which is beyond stupid.

That aside, I don't think the C4 have shown any of this amazing "OKC Thunder" potential that some people have deluded themselves into believing is there. You could literally look at the Kings roster and come to the same conclusions based off of the individual talent they have. Our core is okay, but even with a good supporting cast it isn't going very far..
 
The Norm said:
I agree about Hayward. Burks I would argue is the same player he was when he first entered the NBA... which isn't bad really but I don't see him doing anything different or improving at anything. I wish he could play with the starters more.

Kanter's defensive rebounding and defense in general has been abysmal. And by every advanced statistical measure, Favors has actually regressed pretty sharply this season.

Now, I'm not putting all the blame on Favors/Kanter, as I think Corbin is a terrible coach and has done nothing to put them in a position to succeed. Hell, offensively he's trying to have us go through Favors the exact same way we went through Al Jefferson, which is beyond stupid.

That aside, I don't think the C4 have shown any of this amazing "OKC Thunder" potential that some people have deluded themselves into believing is there. You could literally look at the Kings roster and come to the same conclusions based off of the individual talent they have. Our core is okay, but even with a good supporting cast it isn't going very far..
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Don't disagree much with this post..... that is why it is great that we are tanking at this time.
When you have a true superstar you don't need as much talent around them to field a good team.... we will snag our superstar in the draft and suddenly the core 4 will look a lot better.
Then we pick up a few free agents and we are right back to being competitive again.
 
fishonjazz said:
Don't disagree much with this post..... that is why it is great that we are tanking at this time.
When you have a true superstar you don't need as much talent around them to field a good team.... we will snag our superstar in the draft and suddenly the core 4 will look a lot better.
Then we pick up a few free agents and we are right back to being competitive again.
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And a new coach :-)
 
fishonjazz said:
Don't disagree much with this post..... that is why it is great that we are tanking at this time.
When you have a true superstar you don't need as much talent around them to field a good team.... we will snag our superstar in the draft and suddenly the core 4 will look a lot better.
Then we pick up a few free agents and we are right back to being competitive again.
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I can agree with this. Hell I'd even go so far as to say I'd actually expect to see some REAL growth once we get an actual coach and run an actual offense. But the way the team is being ran under Corbin, there's very little room for optimism.
 
The Norm said:
I agree about Hayward. Burks I would argue is the same player he was when he first entered the NBA... which isn't bad really but I don't see him doing anything different or improving at anything. I wish he could play with the starters more.

Kanter's defensive rebounding and defense in general has been abysmal. And by every advanced statistical measure, Favors has actually regressed pretty sharply this season.

Now, I'm not putting all the blame on Favors/Kanter, as I think Corbin is a terrible coach and has done nothing to put them in a position to succeed. Hell, offensively he's trying to have us go through Favors the exact same way we went through Al Jefferson, which is beyond stupid.

That aside, I don't think the C4 have shown any of this amazing "OKC Thunder" potential that some people have deluded themselves into believing is there. You could literally look at the Kings roster and come to the same conclusions based off of the individual talent they have. Our core is okay, but even with a good supporting cast it isn't going very far..
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I'm glad you are using other posters comments in how you address me. Especially since I have never used the OKC argument. But why let that slow your role. You are hitting people for their positivity by going to the other extreme.

So in short I do not take your posts seriously.

I think in this draft our core becomes the supporting cast. That's the difference in our stances. We have our team. (Hayward, kanter, burks, burke, favors, gobert) Now we need our star. I think we have a good shot at getting him.
 
rough end to a rough road trip. we look scared too often and settle for way too many outside jumpshots, especially early in the shotclock. kanter and favors are as guilty as burks and hayward. kanter & favors have also stopped passing the ball in the paint like they were doing through pre-season.

happy to see our young guys putting up some numbers with their playing time but man it's gonna be a loooong season.
 
Hey, it could have been worse.

Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry left the game early in the second half with a sprained right ankle and did not return. He finished with nine points.

Way to go guys(Jazz players).....................it is nice of us to help the Raptors have their highest scoring half of the season.

When Gay hit a 3-pointer at the end of half, the Raptors took a 62-36 lead into the intermission. It was the Raptors' highest scoring half of the season.

There is just no excuse for us to be playing that bad of defense, even with the point guards we have.........but hey we are in first place for the most ping pong balls. LOL
 
Hey just think how bad it would suck if we were tanking last year and ended up with the number 1 pick and had to choose between ben mclemore, alex len, oladipo, Anthony bennet, nerlens noel, etc etc.

That would be horrible
 
fishonjazz said:
Burks was the only one on the team to make a 3 pointer I believe.... and he made two of them.
Are jefferson, marvin, clarke, lucas, harris, tinsley good shooters?
Alrighty then, so get burks outta there and play one of them sharpshooters instead :-)
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I think we can agree that this season has little to do with the present winning streak. That three should bring his 18% up! Burks did not play with his teammates until a little bit toward the end. He repeatedly stopped the ball and missed a lot of passes to Hayward and others. I understand the team sucks and Burks can drive to the hoop, so if we get some shooters, perhaps he'll be manageable.
 
Stoked said:
Who is Burks going to pass to? He plays a bunch of his minutes with guys that should be happy to be in the d league. But even then he tied for the lead in assists.
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See above, but he was ball stopping all game long, and missed his good teammates a lot. It's always been a problem for him to play with teammates.
 
AKMVP said:
JV schooled Kanter this game. You angry bro?
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Kanter is averaging numbers, with being out of shape and his first games as a starter, JV just can reach on his special days like today. Kanter vs Valanciuanas is like New York yankees against a Junior-High Baseball team. You have to accept that, even Hansbrough looked like an Hall of Famer today.
 
Stoked said:
I'm glad you are using other posters comments in how you address me. Especially since I have never used the OKC argument. But why let that slow your role. You are hitting people for their positivity by going to the other extreme.

So in short I do not take your posts seriously.

I think in this draft our core becomes the supporting cast. That's the difference in our stances. We have our team. (Hayward, kanter, burks, burke, favors, gobert) Now we need our star. I think we have a good shot at getting him.
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The facts: Outside of Hayward, nobody has shown overall improvement. Statistically, Kanter and Favors have both regressed, Favors majorly so. You can argue it's because of awful coaching and going up against starters, and you're probably right, but the fact remains that there's not really any visible improvement present.

All that aside, because I brought up OKC you didn't even address my argument? I guess that's an interesting way of avoiding admitting that you're wrong.
 
Doublea said:
He had 4 assists tonight, isn't he the 3rd assist leader on the team?
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I don't know when he got these, but he had 4 TOs because he tried to force the issue too much and stopped the ball. Also, I don't care if he had 10 assists. He repeatedly stopped the ball and missed other players that were wide open. Even if they suck, you have to pass to them when they are wide open. He missed Hayward and the other decent players all game. Once you stop trusting in the pass, you are dead.
 
CAKAR said:
. Kanter vs Valanciuanas is like New York yankees against a Junior-High Baseball team.
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You being plain homer. I wonder what you would say if Kanter would be Lithuanian and playing for Toronto and JV would be Turkish and playing for Jazz. Don't bother I know the answer....
Fact is - they are both good exciting young NBA players. Neither is superior at this point although they do have some advantages in particular aspects of the game. So you posting nonsense like above just shows how badly biased you are.
 
The Norm said:
The facts: Outside of Hayward, nobody has shown overall improvement. Statistically, Kanter and Favors have both regressed, Favors majorly so. You can argue it's because of awful coaching and going up against starters, and you're probably right, but the fact remains that there's not really any visible improvement present.

All that aside, because I brought up OKC you didn't even address my argument? I guess that's an interesting way of avoiding admitting that you're wrong.
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Kanter's mid range game has improved and has also added the hook shot to his repertoire. His turnover rate is much better than last year. Counting this game Kanter is over 90% on free throws compared to 80% last year.
Favors has always been a player we knew would require a good PG to be effective...we currently have the worse PG rotation in the league.
Burks was putting up around a 20 PER the first few games at SG (compared to 11 last year). Asking him to play PG has hurt his play recently but Burke will be back soon.
 
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