Now that its all star break, What changes would you make on the Utah Jazz?
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My assumption was that the guy is willing to come now. If not, then that condition is not met, capice? But if it is, why not? Why could DL not give the position one of the assistants right now? Let them know they got 3 years to get it right? You think those guys would turn it down? Just sayin, there is no law of god or man that says it cannot be done right now.
Sexual Favors
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1. Let Alec start and give hime more touches. Alec is only shooting the ball 10x a game, I'd like to see him with 14 FGAs. He's proven he's good off the bench, and in 4th qtr action. His next step is the starting job playing a full 36 (currently only playing 27). If we don't trade RJ, send him to the bench --minutes solved.
2. Start Kanter and Favors together. I don't care that it hasn't worked much up to this point. It's Corbin's job to make it work. So what if Marvin has played well and is kind of a stretch 4 (but is he really? Can he really defend the 4?), Kanter can shoot, and based on his old coaches he can shoot the 3. Let him free and learn how to shoot the ocassional 3 in the NBA game. Kanter needs, and deserves with the starting 5 too. He's playing 25 MPG now; I'd like to see him playing 34. He's shooting 50% from the floor, but only taking 10 FGAs a game.
3.Make Trey stop chucking. I get that he's a rookie and all, but it's time he plays the role of the PG we drafted him to be. Gordon shouldn't be running the offense 50% of the time still. Trey shooting 36% from the floor (29% the last 10 games), but taking 13 FGAs (2nd most on team) is BS, and a very bad habit for him to be forming. He has great playmaking skills, but he's also selfish. Him believing he is our #1 option will be his downfall. The coaching staff needs to emphasize the importance of passing early in the shot clock again, and the timportance of getting to the foul line.
4. Let Jeremy get some minutes at the 3. Gordon and Derrick swear Jeremy has a nice 3 ball. After seeing his consistent jumper/form, I believe it. I know that in years past he didn't have any kind of game that resembled an SF, but now I think he does. Whenever he plays against real PFs, he is getting bruised and injured. Try him at the 3 off the bench behind Gordon, and see what happens.
5. Gordon should go back to SF. Let Gordon go back to SF in the starting lineup, with Alec at the 2, and see if his shooting percentages improve.
6. Starting and bench lineups should be:
Starting 5:
Burke
Burks
Hayward
Kanter
Favors
Bench:
Garrett
Clark, Rush
Evans, RJ
Marvin
Gobert
with Evans being 6th man, and Gobert being 7th.
2. Start Kanter and Favors together. I don't care that it hasn't worked much up to this point. It's Corbin's job to make it work. So what if Marvin has played well and is kind of a stretch 4 (but is he really? Can he really defend the 4?), Kanter can shoot, and based on his old coaches he can shoot the 3. Let him free and learn how to shoot the ocassional 3 in the NBA game. Kanter needs, and deserves with the starting 5 too. He's playing 25 MPG now; I'd like to see him playing 34. He's shooting 50% from the floor, but only taking 10 FGAs a game.
3.Make Trey stop chucking. I get that he's a rookie and all, but it's time he plays the role of the PG we drafted him to be. Gordon shouldn't be running the offense 50% of the time still. Trey shooting 36% from the floor (29% the last 10 games), but taking 13 FGAs (2nd most on team) is BS, and a very bad habit for him to be forming. He has great playmaking skills, but he's also selfish. Him believing he is our #1 option will be his downfall. The coaching staff needs to emphasize the importance of passing early in the shot clock again, and the timportance of getting to the foul line.
4. Let Jeremy get some minutes at the 3. Gordon and Derrick swear Jeremy has a nice 3 ball. After seeing his consistent jumper/form, I believe it. I know that in years past he didn't have any kind of game that resembled an SF, but now I think he does. Whenever he plays against real PFs, he is getting bruised and injured. Try him at the 3 off the bench behind Gordon, and see what happens.
5. Gordon should go back to SF. Let Gordon go back to SF in the starting lineup, with Alec at the 2, and see if his shooting percentages improve.
6. Starting and bench lineups should be:
Starting 5:
Burke
Burks
Hayward
Kanter
Favors
Bench:
Garrett
Clark, Rush
Evans, RJ
Marvin
Gobert
with Evans being 6th man, and Gobert being 7th.
* Keep Corbin for the rest of the season, and let his contract expire.
* Decide if Marvin Williams has a future with the Jazz, and if not trade him for pennies. Williams is a good locker room guy and might be a mentor to a rookie next year, but if that's not the plan, let him go and give more minutes to Kanter and Evans. It might help the tank a bit because it hurts our spacing.
* I know this sounds a bit weird, but I would quietly listen to trade offers for Derrick Favors. I see Rudy Gobert maturing and becoming one of the best defensive centers in the league who can rebound as well as Favors does, or even better, and protect the rim. Kanter is a more natural scorer with better instincts, quickness and touch out to 20 feet. Neither Kanter nor Favors is a first-option scorer, but Kanter is a good 2nd option. Favors is great at taking drop-off passes, but Gobert can do this too. I wouldn't make a move before the draft. My issue with Favors is that he doesn't have the quickness and instincts to be a scorer in the flow of the game, outside of structured pick-and-rolls. He's not able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the rim often. Probably the Jazz wouldn't get a good enough offer for Favors and would keep him, but there's definitely potential to move him.
* The Jazz need to focus on getting a top-5 pick in this draft. So screwing around with line-ups is in order. Obviously, Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum and probably Randle can take the Jazz to a higher level, and we can plan personnel accordingly after the draft.
* Decide if Marvin Williams has a future with the Jazz, and if not trade him for pennies. Williams is a good locker room guy and might be a mentor to a rookie next year, but if that's not the plan, let him go and give more minutes to Kanter and Evans. It might help the tank a bit because it hurts our spacing.
* I know this sounds a bit weird, but I would quietly listen to trade offers for Derrick Favors. I see Rudy Gobert maturing and becoming one of the best defensive centers in the league who can rebound as well as Favors does, or even better, and protect the rim. Kanter is a more natural scorer with better instincts, quickness and touch out to 20 feet. Neither Kanter nor Favors is a first-option scorer, but Kanter is a good 2nd option. Favors is great at taking drop-off passes, but Gobert can do this too. I wouldn't make a move before the draft. My issue with Favors is that he doesn't have the quickness and instincts to be a scorer in the flow of the game, outside of structured pick-and-rolls. He's not able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the rim often. Probably the Jazz wouldn't get a good enough offer for Favors and would keep him, but there's definitely potential to move him.
* The Jazz need to focus on getting a top-5 pick in this draft. So screwing around with line-ups is in order. Obviously, Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum and probably Randle can take the Jazz to a higher level, and we can plan personnel accordingly after the draft.
Jeffeson is helping our tank. He has almost no trade value, so his expiring deal is probably worth more to the Jazz than anyone else right now.
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All this talk about keeping Marvin does not seem to me a good idea. He is a 7th or 8th man on a championship team. We keep him and he's going to compete for minutes with guys like Kanter and Gobert and interfere with their development. He should be dealt to a team that has a better use for his talents.
Stifle Tower
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I'd deal Jefferson or Williams in a heartbeat. But it takes two to tango. You can count on one hand the list of trade partners that are even possible due to the salaries. And in most cases, those teams don't need a SF or stretch-4. Better options are available throughout the league. There are just too many sellers. And few teams willing to deal 2014 picks. Or, many already have.
1. Let Corbin finish out the year. He helps the tank.
2. Less Jefferson after the trade deadline.
3. I don't mind having Burks continue to come off the bench. Many teams have a token 5th starter and bring one of their better players in mid-first.
4. More Gobert. This is tricky because it means less Favors and Derrick needs to continue to play and develop.
5. More Kanter.
6. Less Burke. Use the "rookie wall" excuse. Find a way to get Lucas and Clark in the games.
7. Every minor injury becomes a 2 game DNP.
1. Let Corbin finish out the year. He helps the tank.
2. Less Jefferson after the trade deadline.
3. I don't mind having Burks continue to come off the bench. Many teams have a token 5th starter and bring one of their better players in mid-first.
4. More Gobert. This is tricky because it means less Favors and Derrick needs to continue to play and develop.
5. More Kanter.
6. Less Burke. Use the "rookie wall" excuse. Find a way to get Lucas and Clark in the games.
7. Every minor injury becomes a 2 game DNP.
Coach Ellis
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Great post - except that #1 is just not compatible with #2, #4 and #5. If you keep Ty, then trading Jefferson (and probably Marvin also) is the only way to truly get Burks, Kanter and Gobert out there more. It should have happened by now. If DL really want to tank, he will have to be the one to force Ty to live without the two vets. Ty won't do it on his own.
Stifle Tower
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Yes, I know what you mean. But it frustrates me when posters expect DL to pull off some miraculous trade.
1) There are really no teams desperate to dump salaries, so cross that off the list as a principal reason for a deadline deal. In fact, under the new CBA, trading expirings becomes less and less of a factor due to shorter contracts.
2) Jefferson and Williams just make too damn much. Playoff contenders, for the most part, are all up against the cap, so a trade has to return roughly equal salaries. Very few teams have a player or combination of players who they're willing to dump - i.e. not an integral part of their rotation that are making $11M or $7.5M.
Here are the contracts I see that other teams would be willing to trade:
More than 1 yr left: Stoudemire ($22M), Boozer ($15M) Salmons ($7.6M), Clark/Gee combined ($7.6), Dudley/Barnes combined ($7.6M), Prince ($7.2), Miller/Arthur combined ($8.2M).
One year left: Gordon ($13.2M), Villanueva ($8.2), Diaw/Bonner combined ($8.6M), Okafor ($14.5).
A limited set of possible trades and you have to ask if those other GM's are a) interested in Jefferson or Williams; b) willing to give up a first rounder (or even still have theirs); c) can't get a better player elsewhere.
I'm just not hopeful that there is enough interest in Williams (I think there's ZERO in Jefferson) to get a deal done. And, in the case of any of the players Utah would get back that have another year left to go, is a non-lottery pick worth tying up that much salary for next season?
Coach Ellis
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Sorry. I guess I wasn't clear enough. I agree that pulling off a trade is a long-shot because of values and contracts. Charlotte or Phoenix are really the only two realistic options that I can see the Jazz pursuing. Not sure that they'd be interested though.
But if you really want to get Burks, Kanter and Gobert more court time, there's a sure-fire way to do it that doesn't involve pulling off the aforementioned trades. And this should have been done a long time ago. It's not the Millers style, and I doubt they'll do it, but it's past time to sever ties with Ty. When one thing gets in the way of several things that need to be accomplished, then the one thing is the easiest change to make.
But if you really want to get Burks, Kanter and Gobert more court time, there's a sure-fire way to do it that doesn't involve pulling off the aforementioned trades. And this should have been done a long time ago. It's not the Millers style, and I doubt they'll do it, but it's past time to sever ties with Ty. When one thing gets in the way of several things that need to be accomplished, then the one thing is the easiest change to make.
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Good post
Stifle Tower
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I wouldn't be surprised to see RJ's minutes drop a bit after the deadline. Jazz have done everything possible to build up trade value for both Jefferson and Williams. Marvin is a different case. There may be genuine interest in bringing him back.
gregbroncs
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I have genuine interest in seeing him back. At the right price.
My list would be.
1. Trade Jefferson. For just about anything that does not involve future contracts.
2. Start Burks in his place.
3. Play Marvin some minutes at the 3 giving Kanter and Gobert more minutes.
4. cut JLIII. I would rather sign another D-league scrub than keep him in Corbin's back pocket
Stifle Tower
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No, if we want the tank to succeed, we have to hope Burke gets a minor sprain and Lucas plays in his place. A D-League scrub would likely pull a Sundiata and come in and win us a game or two.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I've heard many say Kanter can be a consistent 3pt shooter in the league. Right now most think Favors and Kanter in the starting lineup can't work. We need to find out if true or not. If Kanter could hit threes, that would eliminate most of his weaknesses, passing out of the post, and boneheaded mistakes and turnovers, and create spacing and rebounding. This would also help make things easier for Burke, Hayward, and Burks.
With that said... If Kanter is a good 3pt shooter, why would Corbin not let him take 3's as it would only help him make a stronger case to keep his job, unless he isn't hitting them in practice? If you can't hit them in practice, it ain't happening in games.
With that said... If Kanter is a good 3pt shooter, why would Corbin not let him take 3's as it would only help him make a stronger case to keep his job, unless he isn't hitting them in practice? If you can't hit them in practice, it ain't happening in games.
Doublea
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Example A: Paul Millsap.
It's because Corbin is something of a troglodyte when it comes to the efficacy of bigs shooting threes. He'd have had Memo playing ogre ball when he was here.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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As dumb as we think Corbin is.... He did see how Memo improved and made our offense better. If Kanter can be a good three point shooter, then even for him it should make too much sence, and don't forget he has Sloan advising him. I'm sure Ty respects and listens to him.
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