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Has a state EVER faced such a sorry fate? California is doomed to failure no matter the choice.

My wife and I have already discussed picking up and leaving once the housing market rebounds (if it ever does). Between the volume of illegal aliens and runaway state pensions, it won't be long before the state either declares bankruptcy or a 50% tax on it's residents.

Sad thing is, Brown and Whitman are extremely similar in many of their positions once you disect what they've been saying in their debates.

That eco-terrorism video ain't far off, either. For those who don't know, we have a crazy-*** govt agency called "CARB" pushing for everything from cap-and-trade to banning dark-colored cars. And they're virtually free from any oversight. If AB-32, the "Global Warming Solutions Act" isn't at least temporarily halted, the eco-crazies are going to drive 1 million + jobs out of state (estimate according to a Cal-state professor). Of course, these construction and mfg jobs will be replaced by "green jobs." Um yeah, exactly how many wind farms CAN you build?
 
I know I wrote about this extensively on the old board, but the state's finances and local economy are always going to be screwed up until Prop. 13 is repealed.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I know I wrote about this extensively on the old board, but the state's finances and local economy are always going to be screwed up until Prop. 13 is repealed.
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I don't think that's the real problem. The state govt has more than doubled in the past decade and pensions are out of control. Thanks to the system, govt workers can add vacation and sick time to their final year and end up with a pension 2x what their salary was. And then they can double-dip by retiring at 50 and going out and getting another govt. job - and adding that on to their pension pay in 15 years. Forget the abuse in the city of Bell; it's just as bad in San Diego. A librarian is retiring and getting $200K/yr for life. The former city attorney is getting $350K/yr. It's simply unsustainable.

IMO, the only solution is for the state to go belly up, with the Federal govt. refusing to step in with a bail out. Have to erase or renegotiate the liabilities. Well, that and control the health care, education and penal costs from the influx of illegal aliens (oops, I mean undocumented workers).

And, of course, cut govt spending. It's simply appalling the graft that goes on at the city and state levels.
 
Nate505 said:
At least Prop 19 looks like it has a decent chance of passing.
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Which brings us to point #2 of the problems with CA: too easy to amend the Constitution.

The sirkickyass three step CA gov't reform package:

1. Repeal prop 13.
2. Do away with the initiative process altogether.
3. Eliminate the supermajority requirement to establish budgets in CA (which is the primary reason for a lot of Glasseater's complaints, and may happen via Prop. 25).

Those are the three primary reasons the state's house is in fiscal disarray. The problems are structural, not personal. Blaming individuals is an exercise in self-deception designed only to make you feel better.
 
I'v said recently that california should have its right to self-government taken away. we should make it a protectorate administered by oregon, nevada and arizona for the next 10 years.


also i dont think the 'illegal' immigrants are hurtin the california economy - i think they're helping keep it afloat. The environmentalists and the state govt on the other hand...
 
How many former California governors are or have been imprisoned in the last 40 years?


California's got nothing on Illinois....
Both states have problems that's for sure, and the pension issue that GlassEater mentioned is certainly a part of that!

Though as kicky rightly points out, California's problems seem to be primarily structural in nature, whereas in Illinois the blame falls more squarely on the shoulders of the elected officials
...and those who elected them...
 
Sirkickyass said:
3. Eliminate the supermajority requirement to establish budgets in CA (which is the primary reason for a lot of Glasseater's complaints, and may happen via Prop. 25).

Those are the three primary reasons the state's house is in fiscal disarray. The problems are structural, not personal. Blaming individuals is an exercise in self-deception designed only to make you feel better.
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OMG! Are you kidding me? The supermajority requirement is the ONLY thing that stands in the way of MORE taxes and MORE spending on social programs. Take that down to a majority and it becomes a 100% democrat-controlled state. I don't think I want either party to have carte blanche to control the budget.
 
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