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NY's Proposed Ban on Large Sugary Drinks

Stop trying to put words into my mouth with all that yes crap. You are better than that, even when you are drunk. If this person wants to be a bigot (which she may very well be) then she has the right to be one. Hopefully society would show her what they think of that and withhold business and that woman (photog) loses out for being a tool.

I'm not going after you and respect your opinion. I think you misunderstood my original question and have taken undo exception to the wording, but not with the actual intent. Your answer to that question is definitely yes based on everything you've written here. That's your opinion and you're not denying it which is cool.

Or in other words--grow some balls like Scat and own it bro. :)
 
I'm not going after you and respect your opinion. I think you misunderstood my original question and have taken undo exception to the wording, but not with the actual intent. Your answer to that question is definitely yes based on everything you've written here. That's your opinion and you're not denying it which is cool.

Or in other words--grow some balls like Scat and own it bro. :)

Entirely possible. I will have to give it a second look when I can.

As for owning it as you say, look at the second bolded part.
 
Oh ok. I would be interested in the decision that the NM supreme court reaches.

To clarify, my last post was actually wrong. It started with the Human rights commission, went to a district court, and then the state appeals court. Every venue has ruled in favor of the lesbian couple.
 
To clarify, my last post was actually wrong. It started with the Human rights commission, went to a district court, and then the state appeals court. Every venue has ruled in favor of the lesbian couple.

I will have to look into this. What exactly are they arguing that I do not see? Interesting
 
I will have to look into this. What exactly are they arguing that I do not see? Interesting

Like in most cases, it's all about the interpretation of the law (New Mexico's Human Rights Act in this case) and what constitutes a "public accomodation". I personally don't like the decision because as you've mentioned, if the photographer doesn't want to cover a commitment ceremony or gay marriage or whatever, she shouldn't have to. The LGBT community can discourage their friends from giving their business to the photographer and/or have protests or things like that, because that's their right. The court decisions so far make it seem like business owners have zero rights.
 
IF gay marriages are made legal, it will only be a matter of time before the LDS church shuts down temples because they won't perform gay marriages. THAT's why they are fighting it so hard. Extremists (on both sides) don't want freedom for everyone, they want freedom to make you do what I want to do.

Ya, thats not true or logical.
 
I will agree with Stroked, but do it a lot simpler: If I don't want to serve you, I'm not going to, for whatever reason I freaking want. It's my business and I don't have to cater to you if I don't want to. This is absurd.
 
They are talking about health care, wise guy. Obesity and poverty are also correlated. Poverty and crime are correlated. Education and poverty are correlated.

When you really want to pass something, like a ridiculous, petty, and ultimately unenforceable anti-Big Gulp law, I really do question your motives as being noble and sincere concerns over "health care."

Outlawing x-size drink is like bringing a fly swatter to Juab County to combat the army of Mormon Crickets who have overrun farms, homes, and roads throughout the entire state.Um not gonna work...
Or like (re)signing CJ Miles to serve as a wing. He's still gonna suck and your team is still gonna need a wing.
Or like giving Trout a bar of soap. Um, still gonna smell bad and look worse.

Of course they're "correlated" (barely).

But if we're going to outlaw big gulps in the name of health care, why not extra large pizzas? Cheese on pizza? French fries? High sodium foods? High surgery cereals?

Have you ever taken a ride in a taxi or in NY's subway? I think those forms of transportation are much more detrimental to your health than any big gulp.

In general, Americans need to eat smaller portions, eat healthier, and exercise more. So I'm not one of those folks in pitchforks telling politicians that they'll have to pry my big gulp from my stiff cold fingers. In fact, I hardly ever drink soda pop anymore. The point is, it's a LIFESTYLE that needs changing at a micro and macro level. Strictly on a macro level, governments need to provide far more services (and not necessarily in the form of punitive laws).

I'm no expert of NY politics, but I highly doubt the NY government has exhausted their resources to create a efficient and effective health care system available to everybody. Better education on diabetes, skin cancer, and heart disease. Which is exactly what this country needs more than anything right now. Fewer wars, aircraft carriers, and bases around the world and far more investment inside the empire.
 
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I will agree with Stroked, but do it a lot simpler: If I don't want to serve you, I'm not going to, for whatever reason I freaking want. It's my business and I don't have to cater to you if I don't want to. This is absurd.


I should have drank enough last night to miss that post. It's not everyday on here that we see Troust agreeing with the KKK.
Long live the days when the town's only doctor refused service to blacky, for whatever reason he freaking wanted. But by Gordon, they have to sell their watermellons and cotton to that doctor's grocer or not earn a living because they don't hold the power to do otherwise. That's freedom.
 
Utah laws that are equally as stupid as the big gulp law in NY.

Cannot buy wine coolers except at the state run liquor store, even at the same abv as beers sold in convenience stores.
Reason, kids don't know wine coolers have alcohol and dink them thinking they are enjoying a fruit drink.
Cannot buy beer above 4%abv (3.2%abw) except at the state run liquor store.
Reason, people drink x number of beers no matter what. If they had more alcohol in them the people would get more drunk.
Cannot buy wine except at the state run liquor store.
Reason, too much alcohol.
Cannot buy a keg of beer.
Reason, kegs are only used by underage kids to throw massive parties and people drink too much when they drink from a keg.
Cannot buy a 5L mini keg
Reason, it was just a nasty trick to circumvent the keg ban. If people could buy 5L of beer at one time they obviously intend to drink too much. (I'm sort of afraid to say it out loud, but have they heard of a 30pack of natural light?) Within a year of a local microbrewery investing millions in new bottling equipment our legislature rendered much of it useless.
Cannot buy mini bottles
Reason, mini bottles are used to sneak alcohol around, especially by kids, and makes it easier to hide your bottle of hooch while drinking and driving.
Cannot order a double as a shot or cocktail.
Reason, obvious attempt at drinking too much.
Bars and restaurants cannot offer drink specials or have happy hours.
Reason, it is an attempt to get people to drink too much. Also, if alcohol is cheaper people will drink more, assumption being people are going to spend everything in their pockets on as many drinks as they can buy.

Let's focus on fixing things here. Seriously.

End state run liquor stores. I don't care if they stick with a liquor store system, many states do, but let it be privately run. Let liquor stores use refrigeration, sell limes, soda, ice, bottle openers, etc. Just stop with the silly ******** that makes no sense and seems to regard the alcohol consuming public like children.
 
I should have drank enough last night to miss that post. It's not everyday on here that we see Troust agreeing with the KKK.
Long live the days when the town's only doctor refused service to blacky, for whatever reason he freaking wanted. But by Gordon, they have to sell their watermellons and cotton to that doctor's grocer or not earn a living because they don't hold the power to do otherwise. That's freedom.


Because only whites are capable of racism, I forgot. Good thing one of my fellow racists could remind me. Racism is a blight upon humanity but taking away people rights is not the answer. Education is.
 
Long live the days when the town's only doctor refused service to blacky, for whatever reason he freaking wanted. But by Gordon, they have to sell their watermellons and cotton to that doctor's grocer or not earn a living because they don't hold the power to do otherwise. That's freedom.

Racism by association?

The photographer should have just said she was booked that day.
 
Someone who turns away business because they are racist, sexist and/or anti-homosexual is making a mistake. A business mistake. Does their mistake hurt the person they refuse service to? Yes. Does their mistake hurt their business more? Yes.

Let the racists and homophobes make mistakes as well as expose their stupidity. It opens the door for non-racists and non-homophobes to take advantage of the mistakes and move in on their business.

The notion that if we allowed people to make stupid, self-defeating decisions they wouldn't be able to resist it and they'd go around hurting themselves and others just because is silly. We're afraid of phantoms.
 
Let the racists and homophobes make mistakes as well as expose their stupidity. It opens the door for non-racists and non-homophobes to take advantage of the mistakes and move in on their business.

Unless there are strong cultural forces that intervene. When 5% of the populatioon has trait X, and 20% of the population will boycott/threaten/snub you for serving people with trait X, the sensible business decision is to not serve people with trait X.
 
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