Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

[RJF]

Methinks you should have had a few too many. Flake

No need to be a dick. Geez!

 

[Gameface]

I hope this whole thread is a parody.. Obama will undoubtedly go down as a top 5 worst ever. Only negated by the fact he shouldn't have ever become anyway..

This is what honestly confuses me and in a big way the reason I started the thread. The idea that he's is an exceptionally bad president. I was talking to my son the other day and I didn't know how to explain the degree to which many people dislike Obama and what criteria they use to deem him one of the worst presidents ever.

There's a loud obnoxious ignorant jack *** I work with who said to me, not for any sort of reason that I could figure out other than that I'm a veteran "I'm sorry, but I wouldn't serve in the military with him as my Commander-in-Chief." I just shrugged and said that if I was thinking about serving in the military the president would be one of my smallest concerns. But afterwards I thought to myself, this guy thinks Bush was the right kind of guy to be president if you want to serve in the military. The guy who puts soldiers in combat situations overseas and ultimately costs thousands of soldiers their lives and limbs and tears military families apart. I personally would be much happier serving in the military under a president like Obama, and it's not even close.

 

[Dr. Jones]

This is what honestly confuses me and in a big way the reason I started the thread. The idea that he's is an exceptionally bad president. I was talking to my son the other day and I didn't know how to explain the degree to which many people dislike Obama and what criteria they use to deem him one of the worst presidents ever.

There's a loud obnoxious ignorant jack *** I work with who said to me, not for any sort of reason that I could figure out other than that I'm a veteran "I'm sorry, but I wouldn't serve in the military with him as my Commander-in-Chief." I just shrugged and said that if I was thinking about serving in the military the president would be one of my smallest concerns. But afterwards I thought to myself, this guy thinks Bush was the right kind of guy to be president if you want to serve in the military. The guy who puts soldiers in combat situations overseas and ultimately costs thousands of soldiers their lives and limbs and tears military families apart. I personally would be much happier serving in the military under a president like Obama, and it's not even close.

I will spell it out one day. He is by far the worst ever. (and I am not a right-face.. this is from purity)

 

[franklin]

interesting read...

(didn't actually read this, but I heard him interviewed on the radio)

https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/10/08/paul_krugman_obama_presidency_historically_successful_says_liberal_columnist.html

I'm going to be lazy and say this is probably part Krugman patting himself on the back and part Krugman being 100% correct with *some* of his prescriptions that we ignored and fought against but G.W. Bush and congress enacted in a limited fashion regardless of the resentment and blowback**, which led to Occupy Bums and Tea Bag Party USA.

I didn't care for his first term, but I thought he did a decent job in his second. U.S. government is largely broken, however, and it is difficult for any politician to be "great". Limit the number of times senators and congresspeople can run, and things will instantly start improving.

I hate when highly educated, smart people like yourself spew idiotic populist ********. See ** above for an example showing the opposite. It's far from broke.

 

[franklin]

It's all about the economy. Clinton happened to be pres during a huge boom = high approval rating. Ignoring the fact that he and Congress set the stage for the collapse 10 years later cuz at the time fat cats! Things collapse when Bush is in office = terrible president. Things start to right themselves while Obama is in office = best president in 100 years. When the reality of it all is the economy mostly did what it did regardless of, and often in spite of, presidential policies at the time. Americans are stupid.

Well, I suppose G-S. I could spray bullet holes into this but my Tommy Gun was confiscated by the Feds.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Obama is in the pocket of the bankers and Israel. Almost no mind of his own.

 

[RJF]

Obama is in the pocket of the bankers and Israel. Almost no mind of his own.

Is that why things are so frigid between him and Netanyahu?

 

[The Thriller]

It's all about the economy. Clinton happened to be pres during a huge boom = high approval rating. Ignoring the fact that he and Congress set the stage for the collapse 10 years later cuz at the time fat cats! Things collapse when Bush is in office = terrible president. Things start to right themselves while Obama is in office = best president in 100 years. When the reality of it all is the economy mostly did what it did regardless of, and often in spite of, presidential policies at the time. Americans are stupid.

It's not all about the economy.

Bush's foreign policy sucked *** too. Not to mention countless scandals (ENRON, advanced interrogation, releasing Valerie Plane's name...) and just awful legislation (Pat Act, Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind).

Bush earned that title of worst President since Hoover.

With Clinton? The worst thing most from the right could come up with for nearly 2 decades was getting blown by an intern. That speaks volumes about how good he was. Although in this post 08 world I think caving to the right's demands in deregulating our financial sector was one terrible move.

 

[The Thriller]

Obama is in the pocket of the bankers and Israel. Almost no mind of his own.

I don't think so Tim. Dodd-Frank was watered down by bought off politicians from both sides of the aisle. It was challenged in court by mostly red states.

Saying that Obama is in Israel's pocket is truly mind boggling. It's like saying that Kanter and the Jazz organization are BFFs.

I think Obama has one of the most indepnendent minds I've ever seen in politics. However, I think he's realistic about the chances of passing real legislation. He's seen the racism, obstructionism, and endless vitriol from the right.

Quite honestly, him passing as much legislation as he has with partisan politics at a level not seen since the 1850s and 60s is just incredible.

 

[framer]

Obama toadies are like the Clutchfans of politics. . .

 

[Stoked]

I think Obama has done a reasonable job on many domestic issues.

But I a not a fan of his foreign policies at all. He routinely leave our allies out to dry in the face of their enemies. Now talking to the "enemy" is certainly better than ignoring what they say but what has he accomplished foreign policy wise?

 

[The Thriller]

I think Obama has done a reasonable job on many domestic issues.

But I a not a fan of his foreign policies at all. He routinely leave our allies out to dry in the face of their enemies. Now talking to the "enemy" is certainly better than ignoring what they say but what has he accomplished foreign policy wise?

Seriously?

Killing Osama, you know, that guy behind 9/11 wasn't good enough for you?

Seriously? Are you not entertained?

Oh, and then that whole like not starting WWIII with Russia? Oh and peace with Iran. And now opening things up with our Central and South American neighbors.

Personally, I think a quiet foreign policy demonstrates how great his foreign policy has been. Wars may grab headlines but they typically demonstrate a failure of foreign policy. Shock and Awe wasn't a demonstration of Bush's strengths but weaknesses in foreign policy. War should always be the last, not first resort.

Btw, which allies are you talking about? I haven't seen France or Germany complain about our foreign policy. The Israeli joke is the Cheney/Bush of Israel. He's a nutjob. If he agreed w/our foreign policy I'd be concerned.

 

[Stoked]

Seriously?

Killing Osama, you know, that guy behind 9/11 wasn't good enough for you?

Seriously? Are you not entertained?

Oh, and then that whole like not starting WWIII with Russia? Oh and peace with Iran. And now opening things up with our Central and South American neighbors.

Personally, I think a quiet foreign policy demonstrates how great his foreign policy has been. Wars may grab headlines but they typically demonstrate a failure of foreign policy. Shock and Awe wasn't a demonstration of Bush's strengths but weaknesses in foreign policy. War should always be the last, not first resort.

Btw, which allies are you talking about? I haven't seen France or Germany complain about our foreign policy. The Israeli joke is the Cheney/Bush of Israel. He's a nutjob.

So his greatest accomplishment is that he hasn't gone to war with another country? That's a horribly low bar.

He has solved nothing with Russia. In fact our relations with them are the worse they have been since the Cold War. Pick your topic.

Iran? What has he solved? Nothing. They are still threatening their neighbors and supporting terrorism. They are still doing nuclear work.

Syria
Iraq
Iran
Yemen
Libya
Ukraine
Israel
Japan
China
France

All those relationships are worse. Some dramatically so. If you have not seen France and Germany complain then you're not listening. France is criticizing the Iran talks. Germany the NATO/Russian problem.

If this is great foreign policy the. We are doomed.

 

[The Thriller]

So his greatest accomplishment is that he hasn't gone to war with another country? That's a horribly low bar.

Wait what? Since when has stirring your country away from war been a low bar? What exactly do you want?

He has solved nothing with Russia. In fact our relations with them are the worse they have been since the Cold War. Pick your topic.

Russia's economy is in shambles. Nothing more needs to be done. Attacking Russia would be about the only thing that could unite the Russians behind Putin.

Iran? What has he solved? Nothing. They are still threatening their neighbors and supporting terrorism. They are still doing nuclear work.

Supporting terrorism? By attacking our #1 terrorist threat, ISIS? I say we give Iran a medal for attacking ISIS for us.

Syria
Iraq
Iran
Yemen
Libya
Ukraine
Israel
Japan
China
France

All those relationships are worse. Some dramatically so. If you have not seen France and Germany complain then you're not listening. France is criticizing the Iran talks. Germany the NATO/Russian problem.

Since when did you care what France and Germany thought? Were you criticizing Bush for his going against France's and Germany's advice on Iraq?

If this is great foreign policy the. We are doomed.

If good foreign policy isn't supposed to be more than keeping our country out of war, then what is then? Please specify. Are we supposed to be the world's policemen?

 

[Stoked]

Iran supports Hezbollah and Shia militias tru out the Middle East. ISIS is not the sole terrorist group.

I mentioned France and Germany becuSe you asked if the had problems with American foreign policy. I'm sorry you don't like the truthful answer that they do.

Personally I'd settle for improved relations and solving problems. Not dragging them out as they slowly he worse and worse.

As for Russia they are forging stronger wconomic ties with multiple nations. A rival world wide faction is being born. Members include Russia, Belarus, China, Mongolia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Cuba, N Korea, Ecuador, Argentina, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cambodia, the "stans"...

Stop deflecting to Bush jesus. Broken record much? But if it appeases your liberal sensibilities then Bush made horrible decisions with the patriot act and Iraq.

What specific world problem would you care to discuss?

Iran
Yemen
Ukraine
S Jorea and Japan
Venezuela
Russia
China

Good foreign policy would be about strengthening ties and increasing trade and partnerships. Not watching them dwindle and die then say "at least we didn't kill each other! Success!!!"

 

[The Thriller]

Iran supports Hezbollah and Shia militias tru out the Middle East. ISIS is not the sole terrorist group.

This only proves how messed up the ME is and how we need to quit playing sides.

I mentioned France and Germany becuSe you asked if the had problems with American foreign policy. I'm sorry you don't like the truthful answer that they do.

But you brought them up because they supposedly agree w/your position at the moment. Yet, just a few years ago you couldn't give a rip what they had to say.

Personally I'd settle for improved relations and solving problems. Not dragging them out as they slowly he worse and worse.

Agreed. But what if improving relations with Russia would be against what France and Germany desired? Wouldn't you still bitch about Obama?

Stop deflecting to Bush jesus. Broken record much? But if it appeases your liberal sensibilities then Bush made horrible decisions with the patriot act and Iraq.

If we ignore the past we will never learn from it. Bringing up Bush is quite relevant to the discussion today as so many problems that Obama has had to deal with are directly tied to the mistakes that Bush's administration committed.

I know you conservative types are doing your best to pretend that Obama was President during that 2000-08 black hole but that's just not the case. History did not begin in Jan of 2009.

As for Russia they are forging stronger wconomic ties with multiple nations. A rival world wide faction is being born. Members include Russia, Belarus, China, Mongolia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Cuba, N Korea, Ecuador, Argentina, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cambodia, the "stans"...

Huh? N. Korea, Cuba, Argentina, Russia, and China all in the same sentence? You're going to have to explain this to me.

God I'm putting you back on ignore. Forum so much more enjoyable that way.

By asking you to explain your statements? Statements that you willingly provided in this forum?

 

[RJF]

Thriller, were you formerly SaltyDawg?

 

[Stoked]

You have no damn clue what I thought years ago

Since you seem incapable for actually debating something with out trying to bring up things that you assume to be true (when in true you don't have a damn clue) Im not wasting my time.

 

[The Thriller]

You have no damn clue what I thought years ago

Since you seem incapable for actually debating something with out trying to bring up things that you assume to be true (when in true you don't have a damn clue) Im not wasting my time.

Which is why I'm asking your to clarify your responses! I'm sorry I can't read your mind.

Are you really interested in discussing or are you just pissed that not everyone agrees with your statements?

 

[LogGrad98]

It's not all about the economy.

Bush's foreign policy sucked *** too. Not to mention countless scandals (ENRON, advanced interrogation, releasing Valerie Plane's name...) and just awful legislation (Pat Act, Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind).

Bush earned that title of worst President since Hoover.

With Clinton? The worst thing most from the right could come up with for nearly 2 decades was getting blown by an intern. That speaks volumes about how good he was. Although in this post 08 world I think caving to the right's demands in deregulating our financial sector was one terrible move.

You realize that enron was happening for almost a decade before it came to light in 2001/2002 right? That would mean most of the oversight failure belonged to Clinton if you are going to put this on an administration. If anything you would have to credit the Bush administration for cracking down on that kind of ****. But don't let things like facts get in the way of your famously selective memory.

My comment earlier was about popularity. Largely a president's popularity among the general populace hinges on whether people have jobs and feel comfortable. It wouldn't really matter if we were running militaristic campaigns all over the world (which Clinton did) as long as I can make my car payment and fly across the country on the cheap. Most Americans pay lip service to international politics when pressed but really understand little and care less about it.