Obama vs. Beantown

[chemdude1232]

The distinction between "nature" and "nurture" is only a heuristic. If you take it too seriously -- filing one "effect" on this side, a second "effect" on the other -- then you are missing the point. Nature implies nurture, one cannot exist without the other; they are both present in the other. Your caution is thinking is mostly fine, but don't stick to these categories.

And that's a great point to make. I was considering them separately only as a surface-level glance. Of course a more thorough inspection (which, frankly I don't have time for nowadays) would/could produce a more fundamental explanation of nature's forces.

 

[Beantown]

It's not enough to just have a reason, the reason actually has to make sense.

Heterosexual and homosexual are very different relationships. So why is it wrong to say they are different and not equal?

Homosexuals dont engage in sexual intercourse or prodcue children or add to genetic diversity. Why is it wrong to acknowledge that they are different? I think it is worse for socioty to look blindly at the differencs. We should embrace our differences.

 

[Beantown]

You are ignorant of all the statistics on this issue. What you write here is purely a formal truth. The statistics show pretty clearly that most homosexual people actually participate themselves in reproduction during their lifetime. You are wrong again. I get the sense that the worst thing about you is that you don't realize when you don't know something. That is an awful trait.

The strong reading of Darwin's "survival of the fittest" is now totally out of fashion in theoretical biology. In fact, once you historicize Darwin's legacy you can see that this emphasis was overblown by the changing landscape of the 19th and 20th centuries. I'd suggest you educate yourself before you run roughshod over these things. Or, maybe you can just acknowledge what you don't know and focus on things that make you happier. I, for one, wouldn't mind if you stayed inside more, watching your television, and forgot to vote.

Plain and simple, homosexuals HAVE TO RELY on heterosexual relations for the continued presence of our species, as well as our genetic diversity and continued evolution. A 100% homosexual population=end of the world.

 

[NAOS]

Heterosexual and homosexual are very different relationships. So why is it wrong to say they are different and not equal?

Homosexuals dont engage in sexual intercourse or prodcue children or add to genetic diversity. Why is it wrong to acknowledge that they are different. I think its a worse for socioty to look blindly at the difference. We should embrace our differences.

Why aren't you responding to my provocations?

Here's two more: please show me two EQUAL heterosexual relationships. Please show me a healthy woman, capable of becoming pregnant, who cannot find a willing male to donate his seed in some fashion. This second one speaks directly to the "importance" you feel your argument has.

 

[NAOS]

Plain and simple, homosexuals HAVE TO RELY on heterosexual relations for the continued presence of our species, as well as our genetic diversity and continued evolution. A 100% homosexual population=end of the world.

From above (please keep up): You are ignorant of all the statistics on this issue. What you write here is purely a formal truth. The statistics show pretty clearly that most homosexual people actually participate themselves in reproduction during their lifetime. You are wrong again. I get the sense that the worst thing about you is that you don't realize when you don't know something. That is an awful trait.

The strong reading of Darwin's "survival of the fittest" is now totally out of fashion in theoretical biology. In fact, once you historicize Darwin's legacy you can see that this emphasis was overblown by the changing landscape of the 19th and 20th centuries. I'd suggest you educate yourself before you run roughshod over these things. Or, maybe you can just acknowledge what you don't know and focus on things that make you happier. I, for one, wouldn't mind if you stayed inside more, watching your television, and forgot to vote.

 

[cowhide]

Does anyone know the reasoning for Obama not approving of gay marriage? Atleast I give reasoning for mine.

I do not know but I can make a guess. Obama is more moderate than most GOP think. He is a Christian where homosexuality is damned and he is part black. Most polls show Blacks against homosexuality.

I think Obama has been pretty open about his stance. I do not agree with it but I see no correlation between what you have expressed on this subject and what Obama has expressed. Nice try though.

 

[Gameface]

Heterosexual and homosexual are very different relationships. So why is it wrong to say they are different and not equal?

Homosexuals dont engage in sexual intercourse or prodcue children or add to genetic diversity. Why is it wrong to acknowledge that they are different? I think it is worse for socioty to look blindly at the differencs. We should embrace our differences.

The thing about it is that our laws do not exist to protect the interests of biology, evolution, genetic diversity, etc. Our laws exist to keep people from hurting one another. Homosexual relations between two people able to consent hurt no one, therefore these relations are none of the business of society or our government. For me that's the end of the story, all the rest of the crap you guys can argue about for 20+ pages is irrelevant in my opinion.

 

[sirkickyass]

Does anyone know the reasoning for Obama not approving of gay marriage? Atleast I give reasoning for mine.

His stated reason is religious.

Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

 

[Hopper]

Why aren't the liberals mockin Obama 24/7 for bein religious, I wonder?

 

[Beantown]

From above (please keep up): You are ignorant of all the statistics on this issue. What you write here is purely a formal truth. The statistics show pretty clearly that most homosexual people actually participate themselves in reproduction during their lifetime. .

If they participate in reproduction then they are participating in HETEROSEXUAL relations. So your saying they were heterosexual then turned homosexual? This points to enviromental factors relating to homosexuality.

 

[Hopper]

Kinda like John Malkovich done said about some guy he didn't take to, eh? "That little bitch isn't even gay! He bi-sexual, for God's sake!

 

[NAOS]

If they participate in reproduction then they are participating in HETEROSEXUAL relations. So your saying they were heterosexual then turned homosexual? This points to enviromental factors relating to homosexuality.

What happened to you? What makes you so black and white about things?

(I'm guessing you're not even reading the responses of your detractors. You haven't said one substantive thing about my posts)

 

[Beantown]

The thing about it is that our laws do not exist to protect the interests of biology, evolution, genetic diversity, etc.

Science and biology is very much considered when it comes to all the many environmental laws of our nation. It also is considered in abortion and other medical related laws.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Marriage is a pure social construct and an unalienable right according to the constitution as determined by those trained to interpret it. Biology is not a determining factor and the U.S. government cannot constitutionally discriminate against those of sexual orientation.

 

[The Thriller]

Oh man, did any of you see the first series of the Dallas Cowboy vs Cin Bengals game? Man, Romo was on fire. Yet, the Cowboys still showed the ability to stall inside the 5. TO caught a few nice passes. I'm interested to see if he has anything left in the tank. And Chad Johnson, meh, he's never really impressed me that much. I don't think the Bengals are going to be very good this year.

I'm so ready for the NFL!

 

[NAOS]

Science and biology is very much considered when it comes to all the many environmental laws of our nation. It also is considered in abortion and other medical related laws.

speaking of abortion, have you ever considered reading your own writing?

 

[Beantown]

Marriage is a pure social construct and an unalienable right according to the constitution as determined by those trained to interpret it. Biology is not a determining factor and the U.S. government cannot constitutionally discriminate against those of sexual orientation.

I believe marriage is very much a result of biology. The male body is clearly designed for the womans, and the woman designed for the mans. Not to mention the abilty to create offspring, develop families as well genetic lineages throughout our species history.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I believe marriage is very much a result of biology. The male body is clearly designed for the womans, and the woman designed for the mans. Not to mention the abilty to create offspring, develop families as well genetic lineages throughout our species history.

You can believe 2 + 2 = 5, but that doesn't make it true.


Edit: And a quick edit. You may not know this, but you actually DON'T have to married to produce offspring.

 

[NAOS]

I believe marriage is very much a result of biology. The male body is clearly designed for the womans, and the woman designed for the mans. Not to mention the abilty to create offspring, develop families as well genetic lineages throughout our species history.

 

[NAOS]

Beantown,

I'll take your utter silence on all of my many well-schooled points on this issue (human neoteny, female genital morphology, reproduction statistics, etc.) as a sign that somewhere in this world you are groveling at my feet.

By the way, I'm paid plenty of money to know what I'm talking about when it comes to human evolution and evolutionary theory. I think you should know that you are dealing with someone who is certifiably an "expert". I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, but maybe to help you realize that you don't know what you are talking about. That is the first step. Please take it.