Game Thread Oct 02, 2022 04:00PM MT: Jazz at Raptors (Preseason)
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Man you are really in your feelings about someone having a different opinion than you over a single game.
This team sucks and I really dont think there will be much "joy" in watching them other than knowing every loss is a win. The most we can hope for is some progression month to month to where hopefully the team learns to pass better and play as a team, because no one on this roster can create for themselves or others so the only hope for a competent offense is quick/crisp ball movement. I would love to have seen this roster under Snyder.
framer
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No, it just that your "Well, achtuallly" is just so tiresome. . .
A few takeaways:
** Beasley is a spot-up shooter. Full stop. He needs to be squared up with his feet set and needs open looks.
** Olynyk is a backup. He's not a starter. I don't think the Jazz actually have a starter at the 5.
** There's no one on this team setting screens to shake guys loose like Rudy did. It might be worth playing Dok just to set screens and rebound.
** Conley is still a good floor leader who sees the floor and moves the ball with pace, but he doesn't have much to work with aside from Markkanen.
** Markkanen is about the only guy the Jazz can go to in the half court. He'll probably be our leading scorer.
** I don't think Sexton is actually a point guard. Today he looked better playing off the ball.
** Beasley is a spot-up shooter. Full stop. He needs to be squared up with his feet set and needs open looks.
** Olynyk is a backup. He's not a starter. I don't think the Jazz actually have a starter at the 5.
** There's no one on this team setting screens to shake guys loose like Rudy did. It might be worth playing Dok just to set screens and rebound.
** Conley is still a good floor leader who sees the floor and moves the ball with pace, but he doesn't have much to work with aside from Markkanen.
** Markkanen is about the only guy the Jazz can go to in the half court. He'll probably be our leading scorer.
** I don't think Sexton is actually a point guard. Today he looked better playing off the ball.
I thought NAW actually looked really good on defense.
Him and Butler have the same kind of record scratch moments, probably from some form of performance anxiety/nerves.
Him and Butler have the same kind of record scratch moments, probably from some form of performance anxiety/nerves.
HeatCheck
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I'm keeping an open mind on Sexton but he's not going to be developing as a playmaker next to JC who is just out there looking for his own shot. It got real sloppy in the 2nd half with guys not moving the ball especially some of the veteran players.
I don't think Olynyk added anything to today's starting lineup either. Conley can still play. Beasley can shoot but he needs to be fed. I liked what I saw of Markannen in the first half. He has some potential to rebound and bring the ball up the floor. I like Vandy but he's so limited offensively. Gay is washed. JC is still JC and looking for his own shot every time down the floor which is not a great fit on this current team. NAW has some untapped potential and would like to see more of him playing alongside Sexton or Conley. I thought Kessler was fine in his first preseason game.
Rudy Gay is amazing. He goes up for a dunk and the other team gets a break-away.
Pretty good takeaways, but I do think KO looked way better than his box score.
Problem is we have these guys like Conley/Markkanen/KO/Beasely who are probably pretty solid NBA starters, but they need to be next to shot creators or be a part of a well oiled offensive system by an experienced coach.
I'm not trying to be negative on Sexton, just saying until he proves it, he isnt it.
I really liked what I saw out of KO tonight. He looked dangerous, there just isnt the chemistry there with his teammates that he needs to excel as the offensive fulcrum point.
I also liked Vanderbilt's activity.
He nearly had a ton of offensive rebounds against a very athletic and tall team. I could see him really dominating the glass against certain teams if he brings that same energy.
He nearly had a ton of offensive rebounds against a very athletic and tall team. I could see him really dominating the glass against certain teams if he brings that same energy.
Overall I thought the starting 5 was solid. Once they figure out their chemistry and what not, I could see that group excelling offensively. No shot creators, but I could see that group developing some ball movement chemistry to where they get enough quality looks to be a good offense.
I think some of you are overreacting to this game from a winning standpoint. You can't take anything from this game when it comes to that. My issue is I have zero interest in watching any of these vets play over younger guys. Nothing is worse for developing younger players than garbage time like we saw today because it is always crappy and chaotic basketball. They need to be given consistent minutes that actually mean something during a game.
If you want to lose every game by 30 sure. You cant just throw in young guys who have no shot at competing if you want to develop a good culture. I think the Jazz actually want to get out of this tanking phase with a lot of pieces they think they can keep. They dont want to just throw them out there and lose, shoot their confidence, and move on.
The Jazz vets arent good enough to win them games, but they are good enough to not be completely trashed like our young guys. There's value in keeping them around until the right deal comes along or they expire.
Jazz Traveler
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Kessler’s defense was worse than I thought it would be and his offense was better then I thought it would be.
Kind of a good thing we have Conley because Sexton is not a point guard. Thought Sexton was poor at times defensively and his ball handling was loose.
Butler looked like ***, at this point he’s a real contender to get cut. Fontecchio had a rough first game. Horton-Tucker looks fat to me. Markannen was the best player by far for the Jazz.
Kind of a good thing we have Conley because Sexton is not a point guard. Thought Sexton was poor at times defensively and his ball handling was loose.
Butler looked like ***, at this point he’s a real contender to get cut. Fontecchio had a rough first game. Horton-Tucker looks fat to me. Markannen was the best player by far for the Jazz.
Sexton and Clarkson together is a nightmare scenario. I really don't want Clarksons selfish playing style anywhere near these young guys.
framer
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Agreed, but I won't cry if we find a new home for Clarkson.