Offer Bledsoe a huge deal on July 1st

[Sexual Favors]

At what price?
Would he be perfect for our team at 17 million per year? 15 million?

I really like bledsoe but we do have burks and trey so i dont know if i would want to pay bledsoe a max contract when he is not a big need on our team and we dont even know if he will ever be an all star in the nba.

He might not end up even being better that burks or trey in a couple years. Bledsoe has not really done anything in the nba. He has been a starter for half of one season, and never been an all star or anything.
Big risk to offer him a max deal like i have been hearing we should

All good points, but I don't think Bledsoe is eligible to 17 mil a year. He mad 2.6 mil this year off of a 4 year 7.6 or something mil deal.

As for having alec and Trey, Alec is a 2 guard who hasn't shown the willingness to consistently play D, and Trey has raised some serious questions about whether he will ever be able to. I really like Burks and think he'll mature in that regard. if I am the Jazz and I see Bledsoe available at a good price, I swoop in--regardless of Trey. In all honesty, Trey's career up to this point (college included) has illustrated how he doesn't fill the role our team needs. He's a half court PG who plays at a slow pace and can't defend. Bledsoe plays at a fast pace and can defend. At this juncture, the Jazz aren't using there two greatest strengths: altitude, and athleticism.

Does someone know what the max for Bledsoe could be?

Phoenix will likely match whatever, but they may also be open to a trade after matching. I nominate Trey as part of that. Afterall, they have Frye to worry about as well this year, and Dragic, Gerald Green, and the Morris twins the year after. They have room, but they also have some big decisions on the horizon, and they were succesfull w/o Bledsoe as well this year.

 

[fishonjazz]

if I am the Jazz and I see Bledsoe available at a good price, I swoop in--regardless of Trey.

I agree 100%
I would love to be able to watch bledsoe on the jazz.
Dude is a physical athletic freak.

I want to know what the "max" for bledsoe would be as well

 

[BTP]

All good points, but I don't think Bledsoe is eligible to 17 mil a year. He mad 2.6 mil this year off of a 4 year 7.6 or something mil deal.

He's eligible to get a contract that's about 25% of the salary cap of next year with 7.5% raises for 5 years if the franchise player rule is executed.
Right now the forecast is $63M cap with a $77M luxury tax threshold. 25% of 63 is 15.75 in his first year. This would end up being a $91.5M contract worth $21M in his final year.
Imagine how ****ty it's going to be for the Pacers with the Paul George close to max extension under the Derrick Rose provision.

 

[fishonjazz]

15.75 in his first year. This would end up being a $91.5M contract worth $21M in his final year.

I like bledsoe, but **** that.

 

[BTP]

I like bledsoe, but **** that.

Well if the cap is staying that high all the salaries are going to get higher long term. It looks just ridiculous next to the contracts being made before the salary cap exploded and some steals.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Phoenix will likely match whatever, but they may also be open to a trade after matching. I nominate Trey as part of that. Afterall, they have Frye to worry about as well this year, and Dragic, Gerald Green, and the Morris twins the year after. They have room, but they also have some big decisions on the horizon, and they were succesfull w/o Bledsoe as well this year.

IINM, you can't trade a player to the same team after matching an offer.

 

[♪alt13]

Jazz should stay flexible this off season. Let us see our new rook in action before we build our team. Jazz will probably be middle lotto next year perfect position for guards. No rush needed in filling that spot yet.

 

[framer]

WHy is it that people are STILL wanting to max point guards?!! Seriously, this is always a bad idea. That is what is great about Burke, is that he is a great PG that we will likely never have to max. Is Bledsoe Prime Nash? Is he Chris Paul? Then stop trying to Max him. A max player should be a primary piece on a contending team. Bledsoe will never be that. He is worth 12 million at the high end and Phoenix will match that without blinking.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

no

 

[Harambe]

Bledsoe is an alpha dog.

I'm not really convinced of this

 

[The Midnight]

Here is what DL should do doe:

Let hayward walk
Dont overpay a dude like bledsoe
Trade kanter, trey, and GS pick for westbrook (throw in a future first if we must)
Sign Lebron in free agency
Trade Burks, Gobert, and the rights to Tomic for Bradley Beal (throw in john lucas the 3rd if we must)
Grab Thibidoe after he is fired from the bulls for losing in the first round
Win the lottery and draft Wiggins

Starting lineup of:
Westbrook
Beal
Wiggins
Lebron
Favors
With thibidoe coaching them, that would be a nightmare of a defensive team

Who is on board with this team?
If DL doesn't do these things that i suggested then he sux. Plain and simple.

You've been playing NBA 2k14 for far too long, tbh, imo...

 

[The Midnight]

WHy is it that people are STILL wanting to max point guards?!! Seriously, this is always a bad idea. That is what is great about Burke, is that he is a great PG that we will likely never have to max. Is Bledsoe Prime Nash? Is he Chris Paul? Then stop trying to Max him. A max player should be a primary piece on a contending team. Bledsoe will never be that. He is worth 12 million at the high end and Phoenix will match that without blinking.

I tend to agree. Unless that PG is named Stephen Curry.

 

[framer]

I tend to agree. Unless that PG is named Stephen Curry.

Stephen Curry is not maxed. . .Which makes any talk about maxing Bledsoe just plain silly.

 

[The Midnight]

Stephen Curry is not maxed. . .Which makes any talk about maxing Bledsoe just plain silly.

well isn't, cos there were ankle issues, no that's been put to bed, pretty sure he'll be maxed out in his next contract.

 

[GVC]

He's eligible to get a contract that's about 25% of the salary cap of next year with 7.5% raises for 5 years if the franchise player rule is executed.
Right now the forecast is $63M cap with a $77M luxury tax threshold. 25% of 63 is 15.75 in his first year. This would end up being a $91.5M contract worth $21M in his final year.
Imagine how ****ty it's going to be for the Pacers with the Paul George close to max extension under the Derrick Rose provision.

2 things:

1. That "franchise player" rule is actually the "Designated Player" rule, and only applies to extensions of rookie-scale contracts. Bledsoe will be a free agent this summer, so the Suns don't have to name him their Designated Player to sign him to a 5-year contract.

2. That 25% amount is actually less than 25%. The cap is calculated based on 44.74% of Basketball Related Income (BRI); max salaries are set based on 42.14% of BRI (or thereabout...the 2013/14 max salaries and cap are not quite at this ratio it seems). If the cap is $63mm for next season, the starting salary on a max contract for a player with 0-6 years of NBA experience is $63mm X .25 X (42.14/44.74) = $14,834,711.67. The full 5-year contract would look something like this:

14/15: $14,834,711.67
15/16: $15,947,315.04
16/17: $17,059,918.41
17/18: $18,172,521.78
18/19: $19,285,125.15

Total: $85,299,592.05

 

[BTP]

2 things:

1. That "franchise player" rule is actually the "Designated Player" rule, and only applies to extensions of rookie-scale contracts. Bledsoe will be a free agent this summer, so the Suns don't have to name him their Designated Player to sign him to a 5-year contract.

2. That 25% amount is actually less than 25%. The cap is calculated based on 44.74% of Basketball Related Income (BRI); max salaries are set based on 42.14% of BRI (or thereabout...the 2013/14 max salaries and cap are not quite at this ratio it seems). If the cap is $63mm for next season, the starting salary on a max contract for a player with 0-6 years of NBA experience is $63mm X .25 X (42.14/44.74) = $14,834,711.67. The full 5-year contract would look something like this:

14/15: $14,834,711.67
15/16: $15,947,315.04
16/17: $17,059,918.41
17/18: $18,172,521.78
18/19: $19,285,125.15

Total: $85,299,592.05

You may be right about the numbers but Bledsoe is a rookie scale player.
He was the 18th draft pick in 2010, all team options were exercised and most likely a qualifying offer will be made for him. So for him to be given 5 years it's happening under the franchise player rule.

Thx for clearing up btw how the max extensions happen, I always thought it was the capnumber that was decisive.

 

[GVC]

You may be right about the numbers but Bledsoe is a rookie scale player.
He was the 18th draft pick in 2010, all team options were exercised and most likely a qualifying offer will be made for him. So for him to be given 5 years it's happening under the franchise player rule.

That's incorrect. He won't be signing an extension, he'll be signing a new contract. The Suns can sign him to a 5-year deal, just like any of their other free agents. The Designated Player rule only applies to extensions of rookie scale contracts.

 

[Stifle Tower]

^^
So it is written, so it is done.
GVC is quite the expert on these matters. Wonder why Rigby hasn't snatched him up yet for a front office job?

 

[BTP]

That's incorrect. He won't be signing an extension, he'll be signing a new contract. The Suns can sign him to a 5-year deal, just like any of their other free agents. The Designated Player rule only applies to extensions of rookie scale contracts.

Why will he sign a new contract? Because he was traded during his rookie contract? I mean he's restricted anyways.

 

[GVC]

Why will he sign a new contract? Because he was traded during his rookie contract? I mean he's restricted anyways.

Rookie extensions could only be signed between the end of the July moratorium and October 31st of last year. That is, Bledsoe did not sign an extension of his rookie-scale contract, which is the only avenue through which the Designated Player rule works.

This coming offseason, there are several options for the Suns and Bledsoe. Quoting from Larry Coon's FAQ:

To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has five options:

• He can accept his prior team's qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.
• He can accept his prior team's maximum qualifying offer (if applicable, and if one has been submitted) and play under a long-term contract at the maximum salary.
• He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.
• He can sign an offer sheet with another team through March 1, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.
• If he doesn't sign a qualifying offer, a contract, or an offer sheet for one year, his prior team can submit a new qualifying offer (or maximum qualifying offer), and the player becomes a restricted free agent again the following offseason.

Link: https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

If Bledsoe chooses to negotiate a new contract, he can sign for up to 5 years under the Larry Bird exception. The Suns will not have to name him their Designated Player, as that only applies to extensions of rookie scale contracts. A new contract between the Suns and Bledsoe would not be an extension.