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Offer to Cavs for #1 is to draft Wiggins not Parker

Core4 said:
It would be easy for Lindsey to spin this and put it on Cleveland. He could say the Cavs, learning that Embiid was seriously injured, wanted to know if Favors was available via trade since Lindsey had already expressed an openness to moving up, down or out. Tell Derrick it's a COMPLIMENT if your name comes up in trade rumors...means you are viewed as a valuable player.
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It seems like DL is a caring guy I bet he would make that call once the dust settles. I'm sure DL could make Favors feel loved by saying something similar to what you said.
 
If this is at all real and we need to throw in something like the GS 17' pick to put it over the top we really need to do it.


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Sounds like the 76ers, magic, and jazz have all called the cavs too see what it would take. It seems like favors and #5 is the highest offer.
 
I think they leaked the trade to set the value for a pick. For example, they can now offer the bucks the fifth pick and a lesser player since it is a lower pick at two than they would be getting at number one. The. They can tell favors they never intended to trade him at all. It's a win win win. Well, the cave lose. But they always lose.
 
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
 
b_line said:
I think they leaked the trade to set the value for a pick. For example, they can now offer the bucks the fifth pick and a lesser player since it is a lower pick at two than they would be getting at number one. The. They can tell favors they never intended to trade him at all. It's a win win win. Well, the cavs lose. But they always lose.
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slc said:
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
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They probably want to win more now.
 
Doublea said:
I think this is a very fair trade:

Jazz get: Wiggins

Cavs get: Favors and Vonleh/Embiid/Gordon

Really though, I'd say don't offer anymore than that.

I think Parker is a safer pick, but Wiggins has more upside. I'd be perfectly happy with either. I think we will be better soon if we draft Parker, but Wiggins might be better in 3 years.
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I don't think it will take Wiggins 3 years to adjust to the NBA. Parker is going to struggle at times too. It might take him a few years especially since he needs to get his body in better shape and learn how to play defense. If it takes Wiggins 2 years to adjust, I am fine with it because the Jazz team as a whole aren't going to be ready for a 2-3 years.
 
slc said:
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
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It depends a lot on how confident they are that they can get Lebron to come home. Favors would complement Lebron, Wiggins or Parker would compete for the ball.
 
slc said:
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
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There are some people who think that the difference between Wiggins and Parker isn't as extreme as some are letting on including Kevin Pelton of espn. Maybe Cavs don't want to wait for Wigg to develop and want to start winning with Kyrie.

There is a Very real chance they could grab Favors. Draft a more ready player at 5 and then go grab Melo or land LeBron and they'd be contenders.

There's incentive for em to do it.
 
UGLI baby said:
If this is at all real and we need to throw in something like the GS 17' pick to put it over the top we really need to do it.


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I am ok with giving them another first round pick. I either give them 2016 since we need a break from all these rookies and I am expecting the Jazz to be fighting for the 8th seed. If they ask for a 2017 pick give them either GS pick or the Jazz pick whichever is lower.
 
slc said:
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
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Cavs are in WIN now mode. They also believe they can get Lebron to return.
They don't have any decent centers: Varejao is injured 50% of the time. Hawes is an UFA, was underwhelming after they traded for him and has never been known for defense. With Irving, LBJ, Waiters and Thompson they'd have plenty of scoring. They let Deng leave as a FA and just replace him with Lebron. They also get a good rotation player at #5 like Randle, who would probably start over Thompson. I don't think they'd gamble on Embiid at #5.

This is a PERFECT scenario for Cleveland. Milwaukee has Sanders to offer, but he's a headcase. Philly has no one. Orlando has Vucevic, but why would they offer him in a trade? Boston and LA don't have centers to offer. Utah is clearly their best option for a trade.

IF Lebron signs with Cleveland, that's a contender in the EC:
LBJ
Irving
Waiters
Randle/Thompson
Favors

I think Cleveland does this WITHOUT having to sweeten the pot. They HAVE to make a play for Lebron.
 
slc said:
So someone tell me again why Cavs even do this trade?
Why not just take Wiggins and proceed from there.
Wiggins is still a franchise player and will sell tickets.
Why are Cavs now desperate to trade the #1 pick?
Let someone else take a big gamble for Embiid.
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I agree. As much as I enjoy the thought of drafting a player who I could hope will be a franchise player, I still don't think any team would ever do this.
 
trigg3r said:
This deal better happen now or the front office better start doing some *** kissing in regards to Favors. I get that this is a business, but players tend to take things like this personally. It's going to be really awkward telling Favors this was all just a rumor and then having someone come out and say it didn't happen because the Cavs rejected the offer.
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That is why I am surprised it leaked out. I also remember Favors talking about how he felt betrayed by the Nets when he got traded.
 
Doublea said:
Trade Favors and #5 for Wiggins
Take Asik and Lin off of Houston for cap relief (trade #23 or #35 and JIII)
Draft Wilcox and Bring Tomic over.
Decide to sign Hayward (don't if it's too much...)

Burke-Lin
Burks-Wilcox
Wiggins-Williams
Kanter-Gobert
Asik-Tomic
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I don't know if Tomic and Gobert can play together. I don't think Gobert can play PF either. However, overall I like that team.
 
As nice as Burks came along last year I feel he would become expendable if we landed someone like Wiggins. Hayward really struggled simply because we looked to him to be that #1 guy, if Wiggins could develop into that down the road I'd rather have Hayward as a role player with Wiggins instead of Burks. All of this contingent of course on a reasonable deal for Hayward.
 
trigg3r said:
It only becomes an issue if the front office isn't upfront about it. If they tell him one thing and something else entirely comes out. Say they do offer that to Cleveland and the Cavs reject the offer. Now say that they tell Favors that they never made such an offer and it's later revealed or leaked to the media that they did. I guess what I am trying to say about it is that they shouldn't say anything in regards to the rumor. That way they avoid any issues. I think DL is intelligent enough to take that route.
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One has to remember that Favors was 19 and just got drafted into the NBA, besides I don't think the Nets were upfront with him about it. Jazz just need to be up front about it. If the deal doesn't go through, then the Jazz need to remind him that Jabbar, Chamberlain, and Shaq all got traded beside the fact that other teams wanted him. It is a business and Derrick needs to know that things that were said in the past might change especially since their is new leadership.
 
Or maybe we shouldn't kiss Favors ***? Maybe it might actually push him to play with some heart and passion this next year?

13 and 9 for a guy as big as he is isn't that great. Who the hell does he think he is?

Become a 20 and 10 guy next year then you can bitch when the jazz look to trade you.
 
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