He's not going to do his career a favor by looking bad on national television in a game most the country will be watching. Maybe he's just insurance at this point.
Official Game Thread: Suns at Jazz, Tuesday, 4/24, 8:30 MT, TNT
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He's not going to do his career a favor by looking bad on national television in a game most the country will be watching. Maybe he's just insurance at this point.
fallenchicken
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A question for people who want the Jazz to lose:
For how long? There will surely be people making an argument for tanking and picks next year, and probably the year after. Look at the teams in the lottery--the same teams who are always in the lottery. Making the playoffs this year (and hopefully getting the GS pick) could be much healthier for the franchise in the long run than a back-lottery pick we don't need.
For how long? There will surely be people making an argument for tanking and picks next year, and probably the year after. Look at the teams in the lottery--the same teams who are always in the lottery. Making the playoffs this year (and hopefully getting the GS pick) could be much healthier for the franchise in the long run than a back-lottery pick we don't need.
I think by now, most would rather win. If they do lose though, we get a lottery pick. Not a bad consolation prize.
^^^^^ This.
vslice02
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The thing I'm most anxious to see tonight is to see which of our players can play under pressure. Alot of the Jazz have been in "pressure situations," but fewer have been in "pressure games." You see pressure do strange things to some pretty good players, some play tight, some play overconservative, and some play desperate to the point that desperation makes them lose their focus.
I want to see who can play their game, stay under-control but also play with the type of urgency the magnitude of this game contains. And in the off-chance one of our guys shows the competitive greatness to elevate his game, all the more beneficial to the future of this team.
Unless someone has a clear "deer-in-the-headlights" look, I think the worst thing Ty could do is cut back the minutes of our young players (Favors, Burks, Kanter, Carroll) because this is the type of experience that will make them all better players in the long-haul, regardless of the outcome. I expect Al, Sap, Harris to all play big minutes - I just hope Ty doesn't rely too much on them if we face a little adversity early on.
Either way, tonight is a great opportunity to gauge just how mentally tough alot of our players are.
I want to see who can play their game, stay under-control but also play with the type of urgency the magnitude of this game contains. And in the off-chance one of our guys shows the competitive greatness to elevate his game, all the more beneficial to the future of this team.
Unless someone has a clear "deer-in-the-headlights" look, I think the worst thing Ty could do is cut back the minutes of our young players (Favors, Burks, Kanter, Carroll) because this is the type of experience that will make them all better players in the long-haul, regardless of the outcome. I expect Al, Sap, Harris to all play big minutes - I just hope Ty doesn't rely too much on them if we face a little adversity early on.
Either way, tonight is a great opportunity to gauge just how mentally tough alot of our players are.
freakazoid
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I'm a firm believer that the greater value is in keeping our pick, but in no way can I root against our guys when they've fought so hard down the stretch to put themselves in this position. And now with Shaq runnin' his big, fat, stupid mouth, and Barkley taking us over his suns, I really want to see Shaq put in his place once again by Sir Charles.
GO JAZZ!!!!!!!!!!!
DutchJazzer
Banned
damm less than an hour to go this is straight up torture
freakazoid
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I'm not rooting for them to lose, but this has become a really tired argument, and it's complete BS. Utah is not going to turn into the Warriors, just because we miss the playoffs by a game. We'll still have a winning record. It's just flat-out ridiculous to suggest that THIS team is suddenly going to have a losing mentallity if they barely miss the playoffs. All it will do is leave them hungry to make sure they make them next year, much like getting their *** kicked in the first round would leave them hungry to fight for HC in the 1st round next year. People on this board just have to use extreme examples to try and make their point, even though this Jazz team doesn't fit that mold in the least. This is a team with a winning mentality, regardless of what happens with the playoffs.
As for people rooting for a tank next year, I seriously doubt it will be more than maybe one or two people. Anyone who has been paying attention, should know that the idea of tanking this year has everything to do with a particularly deep draft, and it's not just Jazz fans, but practically league-wide.
Enough of this already, also. It's a trade asset. There's no such damn thing as having too many trade chips.
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freakazoid
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Good post.
For those people who want playoff experience for our young guys, you're getting it tonight, and against a team who isn't much, much better, like the Spurs.
Brown Notes
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I would say every game has been like that more or less since the home Spurs game. Culminates tonight though and this one will be more intense. It's put up or pack up time, especially for my boy Al. He's got to have a good game.
fallenchicken
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It is a trade chip, there's that. I wasn't suggesting the Jazz are going to turn into the warriors if they lose, but that we don't need the pick to win. For as tired as you may be of anti-pick arguments, the lottery obsession this year has been worse. And Verlin, Jefferson and Millsap carrying this team to the playoffs--that increases their trade values. Especially Al's, as that's always been the knock on him. Al's proved himself of late and if he proves himself tonight, and if he plays well in the playoffs, that could be a very good thing.
Also, this Heat/Celtic game is atrocious. End the pain.
Also, this Heat/Celtic game is atrocious. End the pain.
The Jazz wouldn't be in this position if Houston hadn't lost 7 of its last 8 games. Is there some reason that they wouldn't want to make the playoffs this year? Did they mini-tank to get in the draft lottery?
fallenchicken
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They're just Houston.
The increased value of Devin Harris as a trade chip if the Jazz make the playoffs is pretty considerable. He was regarded as an All-Star when we traded for him. He could be a piece in a blockbuster deal if he keeps playing like he has the last several games. Whatever happens, I hope he continues to play well and make a difference in this game.
Edit: If Al Jefferson continues to do well, it also helps his value. A lot of people are surprised at how well he's played in the past few games. He came up big in the Dallas game and the Orlando game. People were commenting like, "When did Jefferson learn to pass?" and such. I think the perception of him being a good player on a bad team fades a bit if we make the playoffs and he does well. It's a bit like Zach Randolph last year.
The Jazz have everything to gain in terms of the perceived value of their players if they make the playoffs and perform well. They've really got nothing to lose by playing a Spurs team that should make the WCF.
DutchJazzer
Banned
houston just plane sucked and was overachieving.
anywho gametime
its finally here
psyched
anywho gametime
its finally here
psyched
Brown Notes
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Thank you Boston for blowing out the Miami Scrubs.
Great crowed at ESA.