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Official Game Thread: "Uh oh, it's Magic" at Jazz...Saturday, 4/21, 8:30pm MT

Weezur said:
This. Even the ESPN announcers said that Jameer Nelson was abusing the Jazz high PnR defense tonight. They were a little too dumb to realize that it was mostly against Jefferson, but they try.

I'm scared of what Steve Nash will do to the Jazz with Gortat/Nash pick and rolls. Good thing Channing Frye is out.
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This to the millionth power. Both of you obviously watched the entire game. The game plan for the Magic was abuse Al Jefferson all game long. It was rarely Al's man that made the shot, but he could not help on picks at all.
 
SiroMar said:
So Al's horrible HORRIBLE defense and ball hogging that had us down by 14 in the first quarter is outweighed by the fact he gave an assist to end the game instead of chucking over a double team!

Thank god for NAOS.
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I think all the 3's they hit put us down in the 1st. We still shot like 55% from the field that quarter. Those aren't all Al's fault. Millsap failed to get a rebound in the 1st also.
 
Al's big shots at the end were in one-to-one coverage against a much smaller guy. This is the NBA and he makes $14million/year... he should make those shots. Just look what Favors and Millsap did tonight with very few plays run for them (especially Favors). We are not going to miss Al's offensive output.
 
GVC said:
He beat up your mom, but he gave you a cupcake on his way out the door.
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Or did something to your Mom, then did something for you ...


GVC said:
The worst PnR defender in the league who just happens to have a below league average TS% and hasn't yet run the floor in his time in Utah?

I've yet to come across a single person who uses the word "hater" who isn't a complete ****ing moron. ****.
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You're just a hater hater.

[Just too tempting]
 
GVC said:
The worst PnR defender in the league who just happens to have a below league average TS% and hasn't yet run the floor in his time in Utah?

I've yet to come across a single person who uses the word "hater" who isn't a complete ****ing moron. ****.
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Ok, even though you're acting like a total condescending douchebag, I'll engage you, but for the record, people with decent arguments and intelligent things to say usually don't resort to name calling almost immediately. Nice work.

I think Al has improved every facet of his game since arriving in Utah. That doesn't mean I think he is a "great" or even "average" defender, but it doesn't change the fact that he has shown more effort on the defensive side and has gotten a little better.

I'll stand by my opinion that Utah's best chance at becoming legit contenders in the next 2 to 3 years invlolves starting Jefferson, Favors, and Millsap. Probably the best part about that line-up is that playing Favors alongside Al helps protect Al quite a bit defensively. IMO Al is a top 3 Center in the NBA offensively. Pau Gasol was known as a soft player and not renowned for his defense before going to LA. Funny how playing alongside Bynum has changed that for Pau.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think all the 3's they hit put us down in the 1st. We still shot like 55% from the field that quarter. Those aren't all Al's fault. Millsap failed to get a rebound in the 1st also.
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Actually I was being unfair. I don't think it was PURELY Al's fault he kept being fed the ball. I think that's on Corbin. I also find it funny that the Jazz went out of their way NOT to force feed Al for the rest of the game after the 1st quarter disaster (he had about half of his points in that quarter). Al is Al. He only knows how to play loser ball. It is up to others to recognize that fault and build an offense that doesn't revolve around him. That's how we've been winning of late. By moving the ball and not relying on Al.
 
Al says all the right things. He's a great locker room guy. He's composed and willing....

these are great things. I wish him the best. Seriously. But 140+ games has really taken me to the limit. I'm tired.
 
jazzman12 said:
I'll engage you, but for the record, people with decent arguments and intelligent things to say usually don't resort to name calling almost immediately. Nice work.
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"Hater" isn't an insult? If you want to have an intelligent, respectful discussion, maybe you shouldn't open with insult.
 
jazzman12 said:
At this point in time, we don't have anybody even close to having the low post skill set of Al. He is the closest thing to an offensive "go to" guy that we have. That becomes HUGE in the playoffs (this season and beyond). He had some defensive lapses in the first half, but overall, his defense has improved dramatically from the time he first arrived in Utah. And while he was -20 at one point in the game, he finished on the + for the game so I don't really see where you're trying to go with that stat. Not only that, he made plays for Utah down the stretch that got that game into OT.
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Good post. We all know what Al Jeff is: an elite post scorer and a barely adequate post defender. He's an okay, not great rebounder, and not really capable defending out on the floor. Favors is the anchor of our defense, and Jefferson is the anchor that we run our offense through. Jefferson was killing Glen Davis in the post time and time again in the 4th quarter and OT. That's what got Hayward and Harris their open looks, and also helped Favors and Millsap go to the offensive glass. Jefferson needs a defensive big like Favors to cover his weaknesses, just like Kevin Love needs Peckovic and Zach Randolph needs Marc Gasol. People are expecting too much from him if they think his D will ever be as half as good as his offense.

We know Orlando has shooters---Nelson, J.Rich, Redick, Anderson, even Glen Davis. I was surprised how scrappy they were on defense and on the boards.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think all the 3's they hit put us down in the 1st. We still shot like 55% from the field that quarter. Those aren't all Al's fault. Millsap failed to get a rebound in the 1st also.
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Serious question, Cy; did you actually watch the game (I'm serious, did you tune in and out of the game)? Because what I saw was Al's man picking either the ball handler or another person's man. In the pick and roll, the ball handler either shot a wide open three, drove and made a lay-up, or kicked it out for a wide open three because Al was not stopping the ball handler at Al. He also did not slow down guys that were screened off the ball and thus gave them either wide-open shots or wide open drives to the basket.
 
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