***Official new head coach search thread*** (merged)
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Stifle Tower
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Well, DL had to revise his list after dropping from #4 to #5 in the draft. As for Alvin, he just wants to escape the repression of the Clippers organization.
Sean
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And yet, here Utah is with a list of assistant coaches, Euro guys and a former player who hasn't coached a minute in the NBA. That might all be by design, but I'd wager, at the end of the day, those franchises will not only spend more than Utah, they'll probably land a coach with a proven record.
Bottom line: You can't actively suggest the Jazz would have been worse off in the coaching search had they grabbed the #1 or #2 pick in this year's draft. You can, though, make a claim that not getting either pick is enough to persuade a coach away from accepting the job - and that's if they were even interested in the first place.
Stifle Tower
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Jazz just need to show they're interviewing minority candidates until Boylen is hired.
Seriously, the more this drags out, the more it's apparent Lindsey is waiting for the playoffs to finish. And that can mean just one thing...
Seriously, the more this drags out, the more it's apparent Lindsey is waiting for the playoffs to finish. And that can mean just one thing...
Of course it would have helped to get the #1 or #2 pick but if you objectively look at the teams as they stand now. Utah is a better fit. Of course LA and NY have outside the court advantages but if you want to go into a stable environment with a chance to then Utah should be more appealing. Just look Kerr took the GS job over the NY job, for two reasons - the GS job is a better situation and it is close to his family. So outside things are not controllable but having a well run organization is. RIght now the Jazz are in a better position to win than both LA and NY.
Just because Utah is bringing in numerous candidates doesn't make it less attractive. Your comment makes it seem like Utah is scrapping the bottom of the barrel because they don't have other options. Yes the other franchises will probably pay more but most legitimate coaches care more about being given a fair chance of winning and being supported. I am sure Mike Brown is happy because he is getting paid but he most likely will never be a HC in the NBA. IF a coach comes to Utah and wins, he will eventually get paid or he can go to one of the major franchises and get paid. You go to LA or NY and chances are you could lose and have little chance to coach again in the NBA.
That he wants to talk to all his candidates before making a choice.
Box Of Rocks
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framer
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Here's the thing. The Jazz are never going to hire a Mike Brown. They want someone who makes long term sense. They knew Corbin was gone last year but they let him finish his contract AND let Horney go. They didn't do that for Boylen. There is a plan in place and it could very well be that the Jazz are also scouting for assistant coaches. And quite frankly I am more impressed with who the Jazz are looking at than the people who keep fleeing the Knicks job. Derek Fisher, really? The Laker's board seems consigned that they are getting Byron Scott. Do you want any of that? Get over your pity party and realize that we are probably going to get just the person we want, because the Jazz job would be pretty coveted for all of the reasons people have stated here.
Sean
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All your points would have merit if I didn't have a sinking feeling the Jazz were on a collision course with Jim Boylen. I'd take just about any coach right now whose name is linked to the New York and L.A. jobs over Boylen. Let's just say, beyond Messina, whose name is now mentioned less and less since initial intrigue, none of the candidates get me excited, and I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one.
So, no, there is no pity party. Just the realization we could only see a marginal improvement over the last coaching staff.
So, no, there is no pity party. Just the realization we could only see a marginal improvement over the last coaching staff.
Sean
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I will say this:
Of most the names listed, Alvin Gentry is a coach I can get behind. He's really well liked in Phoenix and I know his dismissal was contentious among their fans. He really did bring that team together during their run to the 2010 Western Conference Finals. Thing is, his record sucks. It's only slightly better than Corbin's. So, it's going to be a tough sell to the fans if he's the guy - since, beyond one season in Detroit and that one season in Phoenix, his overall record is pretty abysmal.
Still, I think much of it is also tied to the fact he took over struggling franchises (LA specifically) and a coach is really only as good as the talent on the court.
Of most the names listed, Alvin Gentry is a coach I can get behind. He's really well liked in Phoenix and I know his dismissal was contentious among their fans. He really did bring that team together during their run to the 2010 Western Conference Finals. Thing is, his record sucks. It's only slightly better than Corbin's. So, it's going to be a tough sell to the fans if he's the guy - since, beyond one season in Detroit and that one season in Phoenix, his overall record is pretty abysmal.
Still, I think much of it is also tied to the fact he took over struggling franchises (LA specifically) and a coach is really only as good as the talent on the court.
Stifle Tower
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The problem is he improved franchises for one year, then they all went in the tank again.
1. Detroit: he took over late and went 16-21. Next season their record was 29-21 (only 50 games due to lockout). But he was just 28-30 with the Pistons the next season.
2. LAC: Improved from 31 to 39 wins, then 19-39 when he was fired mid season of his third year.
3. Phoenix: Improved from 18 to 54 wins, then regressed to 40-42, followed by 33-33 (strike shortened year) and then were 13-28 when he was fired.
Sean
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On its face, like his overall record, the numbers don't warrant a look. However, it's also important to look at the context of every season and the change between those seasons. Was Gentry's 54 win team the same as the 40 win team a year later?
In 2011, he had to replace Amar'e Stoudemire, who was instrumental in the Suns' success during their 00s heyday and the trajectory clearly, due to lack of talent and age, went south - something that didn't just end with Gentry's firing.
I think Gentry is a good coach. I think he's done some good things as a Clippers assistant and the style he potentially could run at Utah would be exciting - something sorely lacking even during the high mark of the post-Stockton/Malone Sloan era.
Is he my number one option? No. Would I take him over some of the other names mentioned - namely Boylen, Griffin and Snyder? Absolutely.
Coach Ellis
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I'd have no problem renouncing all of the free agents except for Gordon Hayward. Have to do his RFA tender and probably end up matching any contract offers. Marvin can come back at a much lower salary or not at all (I'm not opposed to either result tbh.) I don't see any true max player coming to Utah right now. Good info. Thanks.
People need to calm down about the coach. DL is doing the right thing and making sure they have done their homework before deciding on a coach. Save all the tears, complaining and grinding of teeth for the actually announcement. YOu might be surprised and be happy and if he choose a coach you hate, guess what?, you can rant away. So rest up, chill and be happy. 
People need to calm down about the coach. DL is doing the right thing and making sure they have done their homework before deciding on a coach. Save all the tears, complaining and grinding of teeth for the actually announcement. YOu might be surprised and be happy and if he choose a coach you hate, guess what?, you can rant away. So rest up, chill and be happy.
I agree bro as long as DL is not waiting for Boylen!
Stifle Tower
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Thanks for the update. Still have hope Messina gets an interview after his season ends.