Archie Moses
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I'm not saying we get rid of him or it's fault that he's starting.
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I'm not saying we get rid of him or it's fault that he's starting.
416Klawzz
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Yep he intentionally injured players when they landed from their jump shots
Archie Moses
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Bro, your question makes no sense and is hard to grasp.
He is an over achiever. There have been many before him and will be many after him. Some overachievers end up becoming All Stars - Steve Nash. Some plateau and fall off - Chris Douglas Roberts.
Yes, I think he should shoot more when he's open instead of deferring - by saying that, by no means equates to thinking he can't improve or isn't an overachiever. It's vacuous to translate it to meaning that and makes no sense.
Yes, I think Royce is a better option coming off the bench at this point in his career.
I don't think Royce is the biggest problem on this team, by far. We're just not as good and deep as everyone thought they'd be. It's cute people try and argue or defend this.
Archie Moses
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And Karl Malone invented the people's elbow. Some cheap players are know as the greatest in history - just a lil tainted.
Royce O'Neal is not comparable to Bowen. Bowen was nominated to NBA all defense first or second team for 8 straight years.
416Klawzz
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He threatened to undercut the judges though, they agreed because they didn't want ankle injuries
Archie Moses
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Just an interesting stat.
Royce's rookie year he played 16 min pg and averaged 5 ppg.
His second year he averaged 20 minutes a game and averaged 5 ppg.
This year he averages 28 minutes pg and averages 5 ppg.
He does average 1 more rpg and 1 apg this year.
He's been given a lot more minutes and has produced next to nothing more other than his 3 shooting %.
Royce's rookie year he played 16 min pg and averaged 5 ppg.
His second year he averaged 20 minutes a game and averaged 5 ppg.
This year he averages 28 minutes pg and averages 5 ppg.
He does average 1 more rpg and 1 apg this year.
He's been given a lot more minutes and has produced next to nothing more other than his 3 shooting %.
LifeOnaPlate
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Yup. Taking out frustrations on Royce right now seems like madness to me. Or ignorance.
Good thing OP has got both in spades. To put it kindly.
Miggs
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You questioned why he’s on an NBA roster. That’s implying he’s awful and we should get rid of him.
Archie Moses
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I said, "an NBA playoff roster."
I mean, there's a reason he went undrafted. He's undersized and his production on the court has improved very little of the last three years even though his minutes have gone up to 28 from 16.
He's cheap. He's an decent defender and he shoots the three well when he actually shoots it. That said, I'm still surprised he's on an NBA roster.
I don't hate the guy and I hope he kills it. I'm just telling you what I've seen.
He's a premier defender at four positions and the worst thing he does with a possession is pass the ball which is basically exactly what we need.
Jazz fan since 79
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Given what you could get back for Royce in a trade (very little because of his cheap contract) there is really only one reason you trade him - you are worried you won't be able to resign him next year and would rather get something now than lose him for nothing at the end of the year.
My expectation is the best you can get back for Royce is a future pick (late first round/early second?) or some scrub who is likely no better than he is. With the total lack of current production from our bench, aren't the Jazz better off keeping him and letting it play out in the offseason?
My expectation is the best you can get back for Royce is a future pick (late first round/early second?) or some scrub who is likely no better than he is. With the total lack of current production from our bench, aren't the Jazz better off keeping him and letting it play out in the offseason?
Archie Moses
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He's might guard 4 positions but I 100% disagree he's a "premier" defender at 4 positions. You're acting like he's Draymond.
Also, I don't know why you'd think him passing the ball is exactly what we need. He shoots well enough that when he's open and passes it hurts the team, especially since our offense has been stagnant.
How many guys can you name in the NBA who's production on the court hasn't changed much although their minutes have doubled?
I mean, call me ignorant or what not. I just think a lot of people see more in Royce than there is.
He's a good 15 minute a night guy to me. However, with this roster, he's close to 30. We're not that deep.
Archie Moses
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I definitely don't think the Jazz should trade him unless he's requested as part of a package deal because, like you said, his contract would allow us to trade him for peanuts.
Beer
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"Moderately functional defender at 3 positions" is a more accurate statement.
No it isn't. And asking him to guard the toughest assignment of those four positions while also putting up production in a lineup where everyone else is trying to get theirs are up in the night.
I wish he would shoot when he's open more often but targeting Royce as any significant part of our problem is completely missing what has been wrong with the Jazz.
Beer
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Agree he is not a significant part of our problem. Do think he is overvalued by Jazz fans though.
Miggs
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Oh Jesus, it’s the same ****ing thing. Does a playoff roster only carry 7 guys or something?
Archie Moses
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Yeah, apparently Royce is Draymond Green and is proving his by his production over a 3 year sample size of not improving. He's clearly an NBA starter and would be on most teams.
The Jazz are the best team in the NBA! Royce rules and if you say otherwise, you drool.
Mmmkay, guys.
Archie Moses
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This is pretty much a more simple version of what I'm saying.