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Yeah, BYU's strategy was to get 4 safeties to win the game. Come on now. I guess since this is a message board, and we have a bunch of 12 year old morons on here, I need to spell it out in a much more simplistic way:

BYU is down 7.

How can they tie the game or even win it without the ball?
 
green said:
Yeah, BYU's strategy was to get 4 safeties to win the game. Come on now. I guess since this is a message board, and we have a bunch of 12 year old morons on here, I need to spell it out in a much more simplistic way:

BYU is down 7.

How can they tie the game or even win it without the ball?
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Has your point been that byu didn't come close to winning that game? Ute fans, coaches, and players were never even a little bit worried?
 
I posted this earlier when the article came out, but this is my point:

BYU made the game interesting in the fourth quarter, but until the final four minutes, the game was not in doubt. Utah led 35-0 with four minutes, 38 seconds remaining in the first quarter. At that point, the Utes’ chance to win rose to 93 percent and remained above 98 percent for the majority of the game. Even after BYU cut the lead to seven, Utah's win probability did not drop below 87 percent.

Despite the final margin, Utah controlled the game throughout. The Utes had an average win probability of 92 percent, the highest for a team to win by seven or fewer points in the past 10 seasons.

To put that in perspective, earlier Saturday, Arizona won by eight points and had an average win probability of 75 percent. Utah’s offense was ineffective, but the game was never really in doubt. This is just another example of why the final score can be a misleading indicator of the course of a game.
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https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo...s-vegas-bowl-win-that-go-beyond-the-box-score

BYU cut the score to 7 points and never got the ball back.

They never had a chance to tie the game.

They never had a chance to win the game.

If you never had a chance to tie or win the game, then how close was it? Not very, as the numbers show.
 
green said:
Yeah, BYU's strategy was to get 4 safeties to win the game. Come on now. I guess since this is a message board, and we have a bunch of 12 year old morons on here, I need to spell it out in a much more simplistic way:

BYU is down 7.

How can they tie the game or even win it without the ball?
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A cursory glance at the box score shows it came down to a 3rd down conversation from Utah otherwise BYU had a decent chance of tying or winning with plenty of time on the clock. Based on the ineptness of Utahs offense and how easily it looked like BYU was scoring at that point this scenario seemed likely. Also it wouldnt take 4 safeties, just 1. Since BYU would get the ball back after a safety. Also a turnover or a stop preventing a 1st down in the final three minutes would have got them the ball back. Any offensive play Utah ran could have resulted in a turnover and a touchdown. When its within one score, its a close game.
 
Man... reading reports on our QBs is getting me all sorts of happy in the pants.

Thanks for your updates on your practice observations on the other boards, green. Incidentally, how do you like UteZone? I'm really starting to like it a lot more than that cesspool over on UF.N.
 
leftyjace said:
Man... reading reports on our QBs is getting me all sorts of happy in the pants.

Thanks for your updates on your practice observations on the other boards, green. Incidentally, how do you like UteZone? I'm really starting to like it a lot more than that cesspool over on UF.N.
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Practice observations from green? Huh, I didn't think he lived in the slc area.
Maybe he moved? Or do they televise practices maybe?
 
Here's a brief (and accurate) portrayal of last years Vegas bowl:

Utah came out and got pressure in Mangum at will. Their game plan worked to perfection, led to a massive amount of early turnovers and a couple of defensive scores.

Not only that, when Utah's offense did get the ball off of turnovers, BYU's defense was unable to make Utah settle for FG's.

Then Whitt decides that we have a big enough lead and goes in prevent mode. That strategy nearly backfires as BYU mounts a massive comeback and gets within 7.

At that point, Utah runs the ball effectively, runs for a few first downs and bleeds the clock out.

Now, the BYU fans narrative is how they nearly won the game (which is so BYU btw). Now if I was a BYU fan, I wouldn't be focused on that. I would be more concerned about the fact that BYU can't seem to start or finish against Utah, and that's a problem that is not new. I'm sure the hiring of Sitake will be seen as the end of that trend, buts let's be brutally honest here: The recent history of the rivalry shows Utah being the team that comes out with a gameplan they can actually execute as well as being the team that doesn't **** the bed when things get close.

It's going to be a huge trend for Sitake to turn around because I think his current roster now has a huge Utah mental block. If Sitake loses his first 1 or 2 games to Utah, it could continue to snowball. I've had my problems with Whitt, but beating BYU seems to be his absolute specialty.
 
jazzman12 said:
Then Whitt decides that we have a big enough lead and goes in prevent mode.
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Though he did go for it on 4th down 3 times (one a fake punt in utes own side of the field) fwiw.

Also, one of the turnovers was a fumble by squally canada on his first ever carry and he fumbled the ball without being touched by a ute defender. So that TO was kinda fluky.

Also, on one of mangums pass attempts the ute defender wrapped his arms around the byu receiver before the ball got there (refs didn't call the PI) and the ball hit the ute defenders forearm and popped up into the air and landed in a ute players arms as he ran it in for a touchdown.

Also, on one of the interceptions mangum had good protection and a ute defender made a nice play and put his arms up and tipped the pass (Like you are taught to do when you can't get to the qb) and it went right into a utes hands.
 
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jazzman12 said:
The recent history of the rivalry shows Utah being the team that comes out with a gameplan they can actually execute
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So the gameplan was to rely on a byu running back to fumble the ball in his first ever carry with no contact, tip passes to teammates, hope for the opposing qb to panic and try to make an ill advised pass rather than take a sack, hope for the refs to allow a PI so the ute defender could tip the ball to a teammate to run it in for a score, force 5 TO's in the first quarter and then just stop playing until the last drive of the game and hope you can get one last first down?
I'm sure that was the gameplan all along and they executed it to perfection.

Why don't they use that gameplan against other teams? Seems like forcing 5 first quarter turnovers would be a good gameplan to use against every team.

And also make sure that the entire opposing coaching staff (other than the d-line coach) are all coaching with one foot out the door to their new team.
 
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Btw I'm not trying to say that byu was the better team or would have won the game without some of the fluky/lucky plays.
Utes definitely would have called the rest of the game different than they did if those 5 first quarter to's didn't happen.


Just saying that 5 first quarter to's, two pick sixes, another int down to the 1 yard line, a rb getting his fist ever carry and fumbling without being touched by a defender and entire coaching staff leaving street the game are not normal things to happen.
I would be curious to know when the last time there were 5 to's in the first quarter for a team with 2 of them being pick 6's and another going to the 1 yard line was. I would think it's pretty rare.
 
fishonjazz said:
Btw I'm not trying to say that byu was the better team or would have won the game without some of the fluky/lucky plays.
Utes definitely would have called the rest of the game different than they did if those 5 first quarter to's didn't happen.


Just saying that 5 first quarter to's, two pick sixes, another int down to the 1 yard line, a rb getting his fist ever carry and fumbling without being touched by a defender and entire coaching staff leaving street the game are not normal things to happen.
I would be curious to know when the last time there were 5 to's in the first quarter for a team with 2 of them being pick 6's and another going to the 1 yard line was. I would think it's pretty rare.
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Fish, just stop with all the excuses. I'm sure I could go through any game for any team and point out a PI that wasn't called, a fluke play that didn't go their way, etc. Fact of the matter is, Utah came out defensively and was immediately able to get to your QB at will. Offensively, Utah didn't have to settle for FG's, as your defense was unable to keep them out of the end zone.

Again, this is why BYU fans don't tend to get any respect from Utah fans. A loss never seems to be about your opponent as much as it is fluke plays, missed penalties and bad luck. I can tell this much as a Ute fan: If we had lost that game in the same manner, I'd be embarrassed about how Utah came out to start the game and the fact that my defense couldn't get a stop when it mattered most.
 
Utah has won the last 5 meetings with BYU.

Since 2000 Utah has a 133-65 overall record and a 11-1 bowl record with wins over USC, So Miss, Pitt, Georgia Tech(2), Tulsa, Navy, Alabama, Cal, Colorado St, and BYU. Their lone Bowl loss was to Boise St.

Utah is a really good program. Given this reality BYU and their fans needn't mope nor should they be poor sports with a bag full of excuses, shoulda couldas, and what ifs. They should emulate Utah and admit that Utah is doing what BYU aspires to do. The school seems to have embraced this idea with the hiring of Sitake. Maybe it's time the fans do too.
 
jazzman12 said:
Fish, just stop with all the excuses. I'm sure I could go through any game for any team and point out a PI that wasn't called, a fluke play that didn't go their way, etc. Fact of the matter is, Utah came out defensively and was immediately able to get to your QB at will. Offensively, Utah didn't have to settle for FG's, as your defense was unable to keep them out of the end zone.

Again, this is why BYU fans don't tend to get any respect from Utah fans. A loss never seems to be about your opponent as much as it is fluke plays, missed penalties and bad luck. I can tell this much as a Ute fan: If we had lost that game in the same manner, I'd be embarrassed about how Utah came out to start the game and the fact that my defense couldn't get a stop when it mattered most.
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Jazzman just stop with the denials that that game had some out of the ordinary things happen in it.
It's ok to say that some lucky out of the ordinary things happened in that game in the utes favor. It doesn't take away the win.

In byu's game against Nebraska and against usu they had some hail marys executed. I have no problem admitting that there was a decent amount of luck involved in those plays. That's the difference between me and you. If byu won that game last year the exact same way that the utes did I guarantee I would have no problem admitting that byu had some fortunate things go their way. It's really not that big a deal poor guy.

The first turnover: utes defensive end blows by the byu o lineman and mangum runs to the left with the ball in his right hand and as the ute defender tries to bring mangum down the ball hits the ute defenders helmet and goes to another ute player.
Now on that play there are a few different outcomes that could have happened. Mangum could have taken the sack. Could have thrown the ball away for an incompletion, could have fumbled and been recovered by byu, could have fumbled and been recovered by utah (this was the actual outcome). Only worse scenario that could have happened for byu would have been that the ute player recovered it and ran it in for a td. Nearly the worst case scenario happened for byu.

Second turnover: no pressure on mangum. He makes a good throw right into the stomach of his receiver but the ute player already has his arms around the receiver and the ball hits his forearm and pops into the air right to a ute defender and he runs it into the end zone.
Possible outcomes on that play: pass interference gets called, ball hits defender and falls to the ground for an incomplete, ball pops up and goes into a byu players arms and he gets tackled (that would be lucky for byu), ball pops up and lands in a byu players arms and he takes it all the way for a td (again, I would totally admit that to be a lucky play if it would have happened and not chalk it up to executing the gameplan), the ball pops up into a ute defenders arms and he gets tackled, the ball pops up into a ute defenders arms and he takes in for a td (this was the actual outcome.) The worst possible scenario for byu happened.

3rd TO: mangum has no pressure on him at all and the ball gets tipped by a ute d-lineman right into the arms of a ute defender and he takes it down to the 1 yardline. Possible outcomes the that play: mangum completes the pass for about an 8 yards gain, he completes the pass and it goes for a long td (Would probably be pretty lucky), incomplete pass, ball gets tipped and goes to a byu player who gets tackled (lucky), ball gets tipped and goes to a byu player for a big gain (lucky), ball gets tipped to a ute player who gets immediately tackled, ball gets tipped to a ute player who takes it to the 1 yardline. Basically worst case scenario happens again for byu.

4th TO: mangum steps up into the pocket and throws right to a ute defender for a pick six. (Ball might have been tipped from behind by a d lineman on the release... Hard to tell. I think it did)
I'm not going through all the possible scenarios again but once again, worst case scenario happens for byu out of all possible scenarios.

5 TO: bronco decides to give the ball to a rb who has never had a carry before in his entire career and the rb fumbles without a defender even touching him and the ball goes right to a ute player who is laying on the ground.

All in the first quarter of a game.

Now apparently you just see all that as executing a gameplan just how it was drawn up without anything fortunate for the utes occurring. Nothing out of the ordinary at all.

That's some homerism imo.


Like I said before. I'm not making excuses and saying byu should have won, would have won, or was the better team. Just saying that some strange things happened in that game and most all of them favored one team. If you can't see that then your red goggles are blinding you.
 
♪alt13 said:
Utah has won the last 5 meetings with BYU.

Since 2000 Utah has a 133-65 overall record and a 11-1 bowl record with wins over USC, So Miss, Pitt, Georgia Tech(2), Tulsa, Navy, Alabama, Cal, Colorado St, and BYU. Their lone Bowl loss was to Boise St.

Utah is a really good program. Given this reality BYU and their fans needn't mope nor should they be poor sports with a bag full of excuses, shoulda couldas, and what ifs. They should emulate Utah and admit that Utah is doing what BYU aspires to do. The school seems to have embraced this idea with the hiring of Sitake. Maybe it's time the fans do too.
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Couldn't agree more. No one is saying byu is better or even was better in the vegas bowl.

I'm certain that every team in the entire world would love to have a gameplan that involves the opponent having 5 turnovers in the first quarter and basically 3 pick 6's. I think for that to happen a team, any team not just the utes, would have to have some good fortune along the way.

I don't see what the big deal is in admitting that. Shouldn't be such a painful thing to do imo.
 
fishonjazz said:
Couldn't agree more. No one is saying byu is better or even was better in the vegas bowl.

I'm certain that every team in the entire world would love to have a gameplan that involves the opponent having 5 turnovers in the first quarter and basically 3 pick 6's. I think for that to happen a team, any team not just the utes, would have to have some good fortune along the way.

I don't see what the big deal is in admitting that. Shouldn't be such a painful thing to do imo.
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I think the problem Ute fans have with the aftermath of that game is the media and BYU fans adamant that if the game had another quarter that it was a forgone conclusion that BYU would have won. I've heard that excuse so many times it gets really old. And I for one just think that's one more B.S. excuse the fans of BYU use to soften the blow of losing to Utah again. Is there any doubt (lucky plays or not) that Utah was the team that came out more ready to play in that game?
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As a Utah fan I never really felt BYU had a real shot at winning. Granted they made it closer than I liked but I put that all on the conservative coaching in the game and a natural tendency to let up when you have a huge lead like that.
 
gregbroncs said:
I think the problem Ute fans have with the aftermath of that game is the media and BYU fans adamant that if the game had another quarter that it was a forgone conclusion that BYU would have won.
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I don't feel that way at all. Why would I? It's been a long time since byu has beat utah or been the better team. Byu is the team that probably needs some lucky things to happen to win
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Is there any doubt (lucky plays or not) that Utah was the team that came out more ready to play in that game?
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None at all. I'm not arguing that at all.
Is there any doubt that utah had some luck (not all luck, they made some plays, but some luck) on some of those plays in the first quarter?
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As a Utah fan I never really felt BYU had a real shot at winning.
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You felt differently than my friends who are ute fans then and even coach whitt after the game in interviews sounded like he was a bit worried and upset about the way the utes played.


I'm glad broncos philosophy of every game being the exact same is gone. Playing suu or wagner should not be treated the same as playing utah, michigan, ucla, michigan state, mississippi state ect.
I always thought that was so stupid.
 
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