Official UofU homer thread

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Lol @ BYU fans. You were given six TO's. You injured our most productive WR (Smith) with a cheap horse collar that should have been flagged. You injured our most productive/dangerous RB (McCormick) with a cheap shot that was flagged. You injured another one of our WR's with a cheap shot to the head...yet, you still lost.

Plus, the refs gave you a cheap penalty when Taysom threw an intentional grounding right before he was hit. Oh, and the time your WR grabbed Tim Patrick's arm to stop him from scoring a TD? And the refs felt so bad for you, when Harvey Langi was absolutely DESTROYED by Bolles, I mean Bolles made Langi look like a weak 215 lb end before he pancakes him three feet into the ground, that the refs gave you a pity holding call. You're right, the refs sucked big time.

And yet, with all that, when the game was on the line, Utah lined up with their third string RB, a true freshman, and rammed the ball down your throat. When it came down to the last play, you put the ball in superman's hands, and we blew that up.

Lol @ BYU fan.

We are better. There's no debate. BYU fan would be wise to just shut up until you actually accomplish something this century.

I didn't pay close attention to the game because I was at a party. What I did see, though, was a U team that didn't resemble the one that Green has been describing for months. I'm a fan, and I want them to be great, but the have a long, long, long way to go on offense.

 

[UGLI baby]

This is a question for anybody, but when the targeting was called on the BYU player the INT had not been completed, The Utah player was moving towards the play when he is taken out. So how was that INT upheld? the BYU player had not even touched the ground after touching it before the BYU defender hit the Ute in the head.

This is what I was wondering.

The foul didn't come after the play, it came during it. If there was a facemask on a D lineman at the same time as the interception, he interception would be wiped out. Why is this different I wonder?

 

[Scat]

This is what I was wondering.

The foul didn't come after the play, it came during it. If there was a facemask on a D lineman at the same time as the interception, he interception would be wiped out. Why is this different I wonder?

The refs were absolutely crap.

 

[UGLI baby]

The refs were absolutely crap.

Do you think they got that wrong? I was figuring it's just a little bit of a flawed rule. (I really don't know)

But yes, the refs were crazy bad.

 

[UGLI baby]

I was too caught up in the game to really notice, but read on cougarboard a ton of people complaining about refs giving the Utes the ball at the 6 yard line when Troy Williams went down at his own 1 or yard line. Next play, PI and then the Utes march down the field.

Anyone know if they really spotted the ball at the 6, and if so why?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I watched this game, it is the only game I will watch from these teams besides when Utah plays Oregon.

It is a good thing these teams have the rivalry game this year because that might be it for either of them. Pretty sure it is the biggest most exciting game for both teams this year, looks downhill from here for both. Not sure why either team wouldnt want to keep up a rivalry, I would be pissed if Oregon stopped playing Oregon State. Both of these teams look really bad. They might both be bowl eligible but barely. I would not at all be surprised if both teams are not though. Huge holes in both teams. The only thing that looked solid from either team is Utah's D-line. That was one of the worst reffed games I have watched. The number of blown calls or wrong calls was through the roof. Not sure which team got the short end of the bad calls, they both got screwed. I guess it tilts a little towards BYU getting the short end only because they got 2 players booted. Thought it was an odd decision to go for 2 but I am guessing Sitake really wanted to win this game. Not sure why you wouldn't put your athletic, fast QB out in space though on a roll out and give him options. A draw doesn't let him use his athleticism that well and makes it hard to throw if the play isnt there. Seems like the obvious/best call would have been to have him roll out into space and then he could decide to run or throw. BYU's pick after their player got booted was the play of the game and then BYU made the choke of the game with the dropped pass by the tight end. This was a real ugly game to watch.

Im a little worried about Oregon this season, it is not a pretty start so far but maybe they are not putting in a full effort against really bad teams. Bronco is off to a great start at Virginia though...

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Congrats to Utah fans except Jazzman and Gregbroncs. Your crimson colored glasses are blinding you from reality.

Well I guess I'm lucky that I don't need any validation from people like you on Internet message boards.

 

[UGLI baby]

I watched this game, it is the only game I will watch from these teams besides when Utah plays Oregon.

It is a good thing these teams have the rivalry game this year because that might be it for either of them. Pretty sure it is the biggest most exciting game for both teams this year, looks downhill from here for both. Not sure why either team wouldnt want to keep up a rivalry, I would be pissed if Oregon stopped playing Oregon State. Both of these teams look really bad. They might both be bowl eligible but barely. I would not at all be surprised if both teams are not though.

You don't understand the rivalry game. This game tells us almost nothing about either team. It exists almost in a vacuum and is filled with fluke occurrences each year.

Utes will blow out the Ducks again, btw.

Ducks will always struggle against Stanford, Utah, and any non finesse teams.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You don't understand the rivalry game. This game tells us almost nothing about either team. It exists almost in a vacuum and is filled with fluke occurrences each year.

Utes will blow out the Ducks again, btw.

Ducks will always struggle against Stanford, Utah, and any non finesse teams.

I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that the game was correct in that it showed that neither BYU or Utah will have a very strong passing game.

 

[UGLI baby]

I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that the game was correct in that it showed that neither BYU or Utah will have a very strong passing game.

Utahs passing game looks better than last year, which isn't saying a lot, but is still encouraging.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I watched this game, it is the only game I will watch from these teams besides when Utah plays Oregon.

It is a good thing these teams have the rivalry game this year because that might be it for either of them. Pretty sure it is the biggest most exciting game for both teams this year, looks downhill from here for both. Not sure why either team wouldnt want to keep up a rivalry, I would be pissed if Oregon stopped playing Oregon State. Both of these teams look really bad. They might both be bowl eligible but barely. I would not at all be surprised if both teams are not though. Huge holes in both teams. The only thing that looked solid from either team is Utah's D-line. That was one of the worst reffed games I have watched. The number of blown calls or wrong calls was through the roof. Not sure which team got the short end of the bad calls, they both got screwed. I guess it tilts a little towards BYU getting the short end only because they got 2 players booted. Thought it was an odd decision to go for 2 but I am guessing Sitake really wanted to win this game. Not sure why you wouldn't put your athletic, fast QB out in space though on a roll out and give him options. A draw doesn't let him use his athleticism that well and makes it hard to throw if the play isnt there. Seems like the obvious/best call would have been to have him roll out into space and then he could decide to run or throw. BYU's pick after their player got booted was the play of the game and then BYU made the choke of the game with the dropped pass by the tight end. This was a real ugly game to watch.

Im a little worried about Oregon this season, it is not a pretty start so far but maybe they are not putting in a full effort against really bad teams. Bronco is off to a great start at Virginia though...

I really appreciate all the thought and concern that youre putting in to Utah but maybe you should be just a tid bit more worried about the Ducks. Your margin of victory over Virginia was 1 point better than FBS school Richmond the week before. Richmond's QB put up a few more yards passing against VA on the road than your QB put up at home. Plus, your Defense let UC Davis put up damn near 30 points against you in Week 1. Glass houses dude.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

And before we keep throwing the "homer" thing around, let me recap:

- I loved how Utah's D played last night versus an offense with a very talented QB/RB combo. Not only that, being Detmer's 2nd game ever at the college level, Utah had almost ZERO to go off of in regards to game prep, opponent tendencies, etc. Out of BYU's 19 points, 13 came off of turnovers. BYU had 1 drive the entire game in which they marched downed the field and drove it into the end zone.
As a Ute fan, how am I not supposed to be happy about that?

- In regards to how Utah moved the ball last night, I didn't have a problem with their offense. In fact, I see some reasons for optimism as the season progresses. My obvious fear is that the turnover trend continues, which would obviously derail their season very quickly.

- I think it's fair to say Utah was better than BYU defensively last night. I think it's fair to say that Utah was better offensively than BYU last night. I think it's also fair to say that the biggest equalizer in the game was that Utah had 6 turnovers and was minus 3 in the turnover category for the game. BYU got 13 points off of turnovers. Off the top of my head, I think 2 of Troy Williams' INTs directly took two FG's off the table. Those factors make it at least a 19 point swing. I don't think it takes a "homer" to look at that and have the opinion that if Utah had won the turnover battle, they win the game by more than 1 point.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You don't understand the rivalry game. This game tells us almost nothing about either team. It exists almost in a vacuum and is filled with fluke occurrences each year.

Utes will blow out the Ducks again, btw.

Ducks will always struggle against Stanford, Utah, and any non finesse teams.

Dont put Utah in the same sentence as Stanford. Not sure why/how they got into the Pac-12, I wish we had picked up TCU and maybe Boise St instead, but that is a different matter. Or at the very least BYU since they are a bigger draw and Utah and BYU were pretty much the same from a football standpoint when they joined the PAC-12. Guessing if it went the other way BYU would have greatly improved and Utah would have shrunk away.

Yes Oregon has occasionally lost to "power teams" but they have also destroyed those types of teams in the last 10 years in many games. Teams such as Utah who they have beaten 51-27 and 44-21 in the previous meetings since they joined the Pac-12. They have also beaten They have lost to Stanford but since 2000 they are 11-4 against. Since 2010 they are 4-2, 2 of which were huge blowouts for Oregon. They are 4-2 against SEC teams (traditional power teams) since 2000. The list goes on, Oregon has a great record against any type of team recently. They have been very good since 2000. Since 2000 they are a top 10 and arguably top 5 best program.

Utes got won last year, hats off. We played a quarterback with a broken throwing hand and when the back up came in the team quit. I hated the lack of QB depth but that is what happens when you have an elite QB excel as a freshman. Utah played well but that wont happen again. It is a down year again for Oregon but not that down. Utah could make the game ugly and keep it close and maybe pull out a very close win at home but that is very unlikely.

Even if you take the mistakes away, neither team has much talent at the skill positions, which is what it takes to be good in college football. Yes, Utah can lean on the defense and hope for a decent season but they are not winning the south of having any season worth talking about.

 

[UGLI baby]

Dont put Utah in the same sentence as Stanford. Not sure why/how they got into the Pac-12, I wish we had picked up TCU and maybe Boise St instead, but that is a different matter. Or at the very least BYU since they are a bigger draw and Utah and BYU were pretty much the same from a football standpoint when they joined the PAC-12. Guessing if it went the other way BYU would have greatly improved and Utah would have shrunk away.

Yes Oregon has occasionally lost to "power teams" but they have also destroyed those types of teams in the last 10 years in many games. Teams such as Utah who they have beaten 51-27 and 44-21 in the previous meetings since they joined the Pac-12. They have also beaten They have lost to Stanford but since 2000 they are 11-4 against. Since 2010 they are 4-2, 2 of which were huge blowouts for Oregon. They are 4-2 against SEC teams (traditional power teams) since 2000. The list goes on, Oregon has a great record against any type of team recently. They have been very good since 2000. Since 2000 they are a top 10 and arguably top 5 best program.

Utes got won last year, hats off. We played a quarterback with a broken throwing hand and when the back up came in the team quit. I hated the lack of QB depth but that is what happens when you have an elite QB excel as a freshman. Utah played well but that wont happen again. It is a down year again for Oregon but not that down. Utah could make the game ugly and keep it close and maybe pull out a very close win at home but that is very unlikely.

Even if you take the mistakes away, neither team has much talent at the skill positions, which is what it takes to be good in college football. Yes, Utah can lean on the defense and hope for a decent season but they are not winning the south of having any season worth talking about.

This guy^

 

[gregbroncs]

Dont put Utah in the same sentence as Stanford. Not sure why/how they got into the Pac-12, I wish we had picked up TCU and maybe Boise St instead, but that is a different matter. Or at the very least BYU since they are a bigger draw and Utah and BYU were pretty much the same from a football standpoint when they joined the PAC-12. Guessing if it went the other way BYU would have greatly improved and Utah would have shrunk away.

Yes Oregon has occasionally lost to "power teams" but they have also destroyed those types of teams in the last 10 years in many games. Teams such as Utah who they have beaten 51-27 and 44-21 in the previous meetings since they joined the Pac-12. They have also beaten They have lost to Stanford but since 2000 they are 11-4 against. Since 2010 they are 4-2, 2 of which were huge blowouts for Oregon. They are 4-2 against SEC teams (traditional power teams) since 2000. The list goes on, Oregon has a great record against any type of team recently. They have been very good since 2000. Since 2000 they are a top 10 and arguably top 5 best program.

Utes got won last year, hats off. We played a quarterback with a broken throwing hand and when the back up came in the team quit. I hated the lack of QB depth but that is what happens when you have an elite QB excel as a freshman. Utah played well but that wont happen again. It is a down year again for Oregon but not that down. Utah could make the game ugly and keep it close and maybe pull out a very close win at home but that is very unlikely.

Even if you take the mistakes away, neither team has much talent at the skill positions, which is what it takes to be good in college football. Yes, Utah can lean on the defense and hope for a decent season but they are not winning the south of having any season worth talking about.

Utah has a winning record against Stanford since joining the pac 12.

 

[Ron Mexico]

And before we keep throwing the "homer" thing around, let me recap:

- I loved how Utah's D played last night versus an offense with a very talented QB/RB combo. Not only that, being Detmer's 2nd game ever at the college level, Utah had almost ZERO to go off of in regards to game prep, opponent tendencies, etc. Out of BYU's 19 points, 13 came off of turnovers. BYU had 1 drive the entire game in which they marched downed the field and drove it into the end zone.
As a Ute fan, how am I not supposed to be happy about that?

Because BYUs offfense sucks. Look at what kind of points they put up the week before.

- In regards to how Utah moved the ball last night, I didn't have a problem with their offense. In fact, I see some reasons for optimism as the season progresses. My obvious fear is that the turnover trend continues, which would obviously derail their season very quickly.

Utah's offense put up 13 points on very good positioning from Utah's defense. They had a solid 2 min drill drive before the half that lead to a good touchdown pass. They had another solid drive towards the end of the game against a worn down BYU defense missing some key players that were kicked from the game, including what I am guessing based on this game was BYU's best defensive player. Other than that Utah did nothing on offense, not sure what you have to be optimistic about but maybe Utah's offense has been so bleak that 2 decent drives a game is an improvement?

I also would not say it is fair to say both Utah's offense and defense were better than BYU when they only won by 1 point and it came down to 1 play, it was too close of game to make that conclusion. From this game you can draw the conclusion that these teams are a very close match-up and Utah is ever so slightly better. Yes Utah turned the ball over 6 times to but that would speak to how poor your offense is and if you take away turnovers or certain plays the game is entirely different and who knows the outcome, that is pure speculation. Games can play out a million different ways, you cant say if something changed in the game it would end up the way you think or want it to.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Utah has a winning record against Stanford since joining the pac 12.

and hasnt sniffed their success level ever.

 

[gregbroncs]

Congrats to Utah fans except Jazzman and Gregbroncs. Your crimson colored glasses are blinding you from reality.

I'll admit I'm a bit of a homer. However you yourself said the refs were bad. IMO they gave BYU more than they took from them. Those plays I mentioned absolutely changed the game. And those 2 targeting fouls were blatant. The 2nd one deserves a long suspension no question he hit him in the head with his head. The first one was also contact with a defenseless players head, it doesn't matter if he used his helmet he hit him in the head and was a clear targeting foul. BYU would lose 20 seconds off of the clock if they wind the clock with 40 seconds left in the game, and also would not have been able to huddle to make a play call, on that reception near the sideline. The BS roughing call gave BYU a first down instead of 3rd and 20.
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But Utah did more than the refs to give this game to BYU. I think Utah fumbled about 8 times total. they just didn't lose all of them.

 

[Ron Mexico]

This guy^ 

Good one, guess beyond one game not much you got to talk about.

 

[Scat]

I watched this game, it is the only game I will watch from these teams besides when Utah plays Oregon.

It is a good thing these teams have the rivalry game this year because that might be it for either of them. Pretty sure it is the biggest most exciting game for both teams this year, looks downhill from here for both. Not sure why either team wouldnt want to keep up a rivalry, I would be pissed if Oregon stopped playing Oregon State. Both of these teams look really bad. They might both be bowl eligible but barely. I would not at all be surprised if both teams are not though. Huge holes in both teams. The only thing that looked solid from either team is Utah's D-line. That was one of the worst reffed games I have watched. The number of blown calls or wrong calls was through the roof. Not sure which team got the short end of the bad calls, they both got screwed. I guess it tilts a little towards BYU getting the short end only because they got 2 players booted. Thought it was an odd decision to go for 2 but I am guessing Sitake really wanted to win this game. Not sure why you wouldn't put your athletic, fast QB out in space though on a roll out and give him options. A draw doesn't let him use his athleticism that well and makes it hard to throw if the play isnt there. Seems like the obvious/best call would have been to have him roll out into space and then he could decide to run or throw. BYU's pick after their player got booted was the play of the game and then BYU made the choke of the game with the dropped pass by the tight end. This was a real ugly game to watch.

Im a little worried about Oregon this season, it is not a pretty start so far but maybe they are not putting in a full effort against really bad teams. Bronco is off to a great start at Virginia though...

It is nice having an unbiased opinion. Thanks for posting.