Okay, ******, I've asked this before, but

[Dr. Jones]

How do you guys feel about Harris as a veteran leader for these young guys? I don't have much of an opinion, in that regard, but I like him, as a player, more than most around here, I believe.

 

[orangello]

At this point, I'd say our best option is to go after a guy like Holiday or Knight with our trade assets, cause the PG's of this draft seem very iffy so far. Although, I do agree we'll need a balance of vets and younger players, I just don't think NOW is the time to go after those veteran players; wait till our young guys develop a few years, THEN figure out exactly what we need to finish the equation.

Great point. We all need to be patient with the expectations of the current roster. If things pan out the right way then I agree, going after a PG with a few years under his belt might just be the answer to the PG problem.

I would also throw out George Hill's name as well. I like his game and the tenacity he brings to the court.

 

[vslice02]

At this point, I'd say our best option is to go after a guy like Holiday or Knight with our trade assets, cause the PG's of this draft seem very iffy so far. Although, I do agree we'll need a balance of vets and younger players, I just don't think NOW is the time to go after those veteran players; wait till our young guys develop a few years, THEN figure out exactly what we need to finish the equation.

Completely agree - I would wait until next offseason to make any substantial moves and use this season to figure out what we have and how a guys like Al Jefferson and Devin Harris fit into what we're trying to do. (I expect some tweaks although I would assume Corbin will keep alot of our same sets so someone w/atleast a half-season's worth of experience like Harris will have an advantage w/limited training camp&practice.

 

[vslice02]

How do you guys feel about Harris as a veteran leader for these young guys? I don't have much of an opinion, in that regard, but I like him, as a player, more than most around here, I believe.

Personally, I was never a fan of his game in NJ and Dallas (thought he was a scoring PG who made put up numbers but didn't help his team win). That said - he could be a good fit w/this Jazz team that has alot of athleticism and ability to get up-and-down the floor. This team will need leadership and Harris will likely be one of the more experienced players on it. Not sold on him but I think it's too early to write him off in Utah. Worst-case he'll be an effective stop-gap at PG until we decide what pieces we want to keep and move.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

/removingNOTEgoggles

I really like GH. I think either Barnes or QMiller are better SF's, easily (blast, don't care). I also think Burks is a 2, period. Spot minutes at PG, maybe, but a 2.

Bottom line. I think it's great to have players that can cover multiple positions on the floor (I really do), but it RARELY works to, in reality, play them outside of their obvious natural position. I think Burks is a SG, GH is a SF, and Sap is a PF. None of them may be a perfect fit at those positions, none of them may be all-stars, but it's what they are .. and they're good. Let it be and continue to build.

I'll agree to disagree with you on Hayward. He's as big and athletic as Barnes, shoots as well, handles better and defends as well. I'm not convinced Barnes is a better SF. I also think Hayward can play SG, and he had his best minutes at that position last year. If Hayward has to guard a bigger player at the SF spot, say Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant or Carmello Anthony, it might be better to rotate him to SG, assuming the Jazz have someone else to guard those bigger wings.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'll agree to disagree with you on Hayward. He's as big and athletic as Barnes, shoots as well, handles better and defends as well. I'm not convinced Barnes is a better SF. I also think Hayward can play SG, and he had his best minutes at that position last year. If Hayward has to guard a bigger player at the SF spot, say Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant or Carmello Anthony, it might be better to rotate him to SG, assuming the Jazz have someone else to guard those bigger wings.

Fair enough. I think the differences are negligible. I just believe that, three years from now, Barnes will be the more coveted player (NBA-wide).

... and I hate UNC.

 

[freakazoid]

I just don't think NOW is the time to go after those veteran players; wait till our young guys develop a few years, THEN figure out exactly what we need to finish the equation.

I would wait until next offseason to make any substantial moves and use this season to figure out what we have and how a guys like Al Jefferson and Devin Harris fit into what we're trying to do.

This and this.

The questions at the 2 and 3 don't need to be answered right away. Not even this season. This year will be Tys opportunity to experiment a little.

 

[sepanol]

Millsap shouldn't play SF more than 2 mins per game, and that 2 mins is the last 2 mins if we are ahead by 20

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because everyone loves Millsap and doesn't want to see him get crappy minutes when Favors takes over the PF spot.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

why does *nearly* everyone insist that our future relies on Sap 'being able to play SF?'

I am open-minded (not on all things, but this, definitely), but GH seems, to me, like a FUTURE stud SF, not SG. Is this whole thing trying to cram a round-peg into a square-hole? Or am I just way off on how I see GH's future in the NBA?

I'm not sure I've seen one person write that our future relies on Sap being able to play SF. I have seen people write that his future here does as we have legit bigs with much more length like Favors, Jefferson and Kanter, Jefferson's flaws and the other's youth notwithstanding.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'll agree to disagree with you on Hayward. He's as big and athletic as Barnes, shoots as well, handles better and defends as well. I'm not convinced Barnes is a better SF. I also think Hayward can play SG, and he had his best minutes at that position last year. If Hayward has to guard a bigger player at the SF spot, say Lamar Odom, Kevin Durant or Carmello Anthony, it might be better to rotate him to SG, assuming the Jazz have someone else to guard those bigger wings.

Hayward can't hit some of the shots Barnes hits. Hayward can't really do that 1-step dribble pull-up with anyone on him like Barnes can. Hayward is a better spot up shooter and passer, but that is it.

 

[Qman]

Hayward can't hit some of the shots Barnes hits. Hayward can't really do that 1-step dribble pull-up with anyone on him like Barnes can. Hayward is a better spot up shooter and passer, but that is it.

What you meant to say is he couldn't last year. There is no reason to believe it isn't some he could add to his game. With Hayward's reputation as a gym rat, I expect he will add whatever is necessary to improve his game.

Count me as one of the people who think Hayward best position is at the two. He can't play the 3 expect when facing Durant, Carmelo or Lebron.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What you meant to say is he couldn't last year. There is no reason to believe it isn't some he could add to his game. With Hayward's reputation as a gym rat, I expect he will add whatever is necessary to improve his game.

Count me as one of the people who think Hayward best position is at the two. He can play the 3 expect when facing Durant, Carmelo or Lebron.

And he can't play the 2 when facing Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, and Dwayne Wade.

 

[Dr. Jones]

And he can't play the 2 when facing Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, and Dwayne Wade.

Exactly. It's all about matchups.

I don't know, I guess I just 'see' a sf when I look at/watch GH.

 

[Qman]

Exactly. It's all about matchups.

I don't know, I guess I just 'see' a sf when I look at/watch GH.

Maybe Hayward at the 3 works better if Favors is playing PF and can give him better help D. Also I think Hayward will be able to work the Pick'n'Roll to attack most SF's. I don't like a Hayward, Millsap and Jefferson front line. It is just too small to rebound and defend effectively.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Harris
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Jefferson

Favors blocking every shot within 15' of the rim.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Exactly. It's all about matchups.

I don't know, I guess I just 'see' a sf when I look at/watch GH.

Yes, which is why the labels of SF or SG is completely unnessecary. We have a team full of wings who can , for the most part, play either position depending on matchup.

 

[LogGrad98]

I like Milsap a lot, but I do not see him in the future plans of the team. He is now position-less and fans are trying to shoe-horn him in so they don't have to face the reality: Sap's best position may be as a key piece in a trade to really improve the team.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

And he can't play the 2 when facing Monta Ellis, Eric Gordon, and Dwayne Wade.

Or Kobe Bryant? Did you watch the end of last season? He played his best ball at the 2.
We will need to see if that is still the case, or if he can play the 3, but the fact remains he played his best ball from the 2 spot last year, not the 3.
He played against Kobe, and I don't know who else and held his own.

My personal opinion is that GH will flourish at the 2, and I hold out hope that Burks will be given a shot at the 3. He is 6-6, but has a 6-10 wingspan. Hayward may be 6-8, but so are his arms.

I see GH playing the 2, and strangely enough Burks at the 3 by the end of the season. Sap will be our 6th man, hustle guy that will come in and give us a spark, maybe win a game or two, and fill in nicely in spots with certain match ups.

I don't care what you all say, I think Gordon will be best at the 2 no matter what you think when looking at stats and heights.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Or Kobe Bryant? Did you watch the end of last season? He played his best ball at the 2.
We will need to see if that is still the case, or if he can play the 3, but the fact remains he played his best ball from the 2 spot last year, not the 3.
He played against Kobe, and I don't know who else and held his own.

My personal opinion is that GH will flourish at the 2, and I hold out hope that Burks will be given a shot at the 3. He is 6-6, but has a 6-10 wingspan. Hayward may be 6-8, but so are his arms.

I see GH playing the 2, and strangely enough Burks at the 3 by the end of the season. Sap will be our 6th man, hustle guy that will come in and give us a spark, maybe win a game or two, and fill in nicely in spots with certain match ups.

I don't care what you all say, I think Gordon will be best at the 2 no matter what you think when looking at stats and heights.

Kobe is old and slower. Hayward doesn't have the speed to keep up with Wade, Gordon, or Ellis.