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OKC/Jazz Trade

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NUMBERICA

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Jazz trades:
-Al (S/T)
-Maybe other minor stuff as part of negotiation

OKC trades:
-Goodies they don't need (some mixture of Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones, and/or draft picks*)
-Kendrick Perkins**


The Jazz will have a ton of cap space that they should utilize as they will be paying close to the entire cap no matter what (https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15) and my view is the best the Jazz can do with the space is to facilitate savings for a team that needs it and grab some assets along the way (much like how Presti got many of his and how the Jazz got Hayward).

The Thunder are getting crap out of Perkins and already have Ibaka and Collison as defensive bigs. They pretty desperately need someone that can reliably score inside. Since most of their offense is just isos, Jefferson actually might not hugely impact how they operate their team offense as long as he either doesn't take as many shots, or takes most of them against the second unit. He can guard the post, so he's not necessarily a liability considering that the Thunder can get good help elsewhere. As for his salary impacting the Thunder, I really don't think his market-value is generally that high and, again, the Thunder would've been paying Perkins close to $10 million over the next two seasons anyway.


Who says no?
 
* The Thunder own a number of interesting picks over the next two years and there are a number of believable scenarios here. In chronological order:
-12th pick in 2013 (from the Raptors via Houston [Harden trade], maybe swapping places in the late lottery is something to negotiate)
-29th pick in 2013 (their own)
-32nd pick in 2013 (from the Bobcats via Houston [Harden trade])
-Mavericks 1st rounder (top-20 protected through 2017, unprotected in 2018)
-Their own pick next year and beyond (this would likely be protected)
There are likely more that I don't know about (or aren't really worth mentioning)

** Presti completely out-thought himself here. Ibaka is important and they already had Westbrook and Durant under contract. So where would the money come from to pay Harden? PERKINS! They could've traded him. They could've amnestied him. They had an entire offseason, the '12-'13 season, and half of the next season to figure it out and they got jumpy. That they either over-valued Perkins or were scared they couldn't get rid of him and weren't willing to amnesty him might have cost them a championship at the end of the day. You never trade a dollar for three quarters unless you HAVE to, and the Thunder didn't. Even if Harden still puts them a little over the LT down the road, that's probably the cost of a championship anyway, besides all of the revenue that being a perennial contender that people want to watch brings.
 
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Yeah, lets Maynor them back!

Take Perkins for the #11 pick, or their #31 and unprotected 1st next season.


In a kind of related thought. With OKC being eliminated because they traded away too much of their core young talent (Harden, Green) can the 'OKC Model' be laid to rest? Too soon?
 
I literally just typed out a nearly identical post. I'd be all for this trade as it works well for both teams. As part of the trade, I would also swap Utah's GSW pick (#21) for OKC's lottery Houston/Toronto pick (possibly #12). I'd only include other assets on OKC's part (e.g., Lamb or Jones) if they needed it for salary cap reasons. IF OKC got Jefferson and re-signed Kevin Martin that would be a very dangerous team.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
I literally just typed out a nearly identical post. I'd be all for this trade as it works well for both teams. As part of the trade, I would also swap Utah's GSW pick (#21) for OKC's lottery Houston/Toronto pick (possibly #12). I'd only include other assets on OKC's part (e.g., Lamb or Jones) if they needed it for salary cap reasons. IF OKC got Jefferson and re-signed Kevin Martin that would be a very dangerous team.
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They're definitely not re-signing Martin in this scenario unless BOTH him and Al take eye-popping discounts (at which point, the Thunder could just grab Al on the open market).
 
Beantown said:
Why not just let AJ walk?
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NUMBERICA said:
-Goodies they don't need (some mixture of Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones, and/or draft picks*)
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NUMBERICA said:
* The Thunder own a number of interesting picks over the next two years and there are a number of believable scenarios here. In chronological order:
-12th pick in 2013 (from the Raptors via Houston [Harden trade], maybe swapping places in the late lottery is something to negotiate)
-29th pick in 2013 (their own)
-32nd pick in 2013 (from the Bobcats via Houston [Harden trade])
-Mavericks 1st rounder (top-20 protected through 2017, unprotected in 2018)
-Their own pick next year and beyond (this would likely be protected)
There are likely more that I don't know about (or aren't really worth mentioning)
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Those.
 
Let AJ walk. I say use the salary cap space to get other assetts. Marion from Dallas for a 1st round pick. Perkins from OKC for picks and players. Humphries from Brooklyn for a pick.

Heck for 10 Million cash an unprotected 1st and the right to swap draft picks each year for the next 7 years I'd take on Amare's contract.
 
mellow said:
Yeah, lets Maynor them back!

Take Perkins for the #11 pick, or their #31 and unprotected 1st next season.


In a kind of related thought. With OKC being eliminated because they traded away too much of their core young talent (Harden, Green) can the 'OKC Model' be laid to rest? Too soon?
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Series could have been won if they weren't missing part of their superstar combo.
 
mellow said:
Let AJ walk. I say use the salary cap space to get other assetts. Marion from Dallas for a 1st round pick. Perkins from OKC for picks and players. Humphries from Brooklyn for a pick.

Heck for 10 Million cash an unprotected 1st and the right to swap draft picks each year for the next 7 years I'd take on Amare's contract.
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If the Thunder want to just give the same package without taking back Al then it makes no difference to the Jazz. So, sure. But I think they could use him.

That Amare idea is interesting. The Jazz have a two-year window where they can afford to add some ridiculous salary and Amare has two more years at most on his deal. It's a shame that franchise is asset-depleted and likely to be pretty good for a little while.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Who says no?
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The only reason Al would do this is that he really, really wants to play for the Thunder. Because they are over the salary cap a sign and trade is feasible. But do we really want Perkins on this team?

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91

Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

Another factor encouraging a player not to seek a sign-and-trade is that his new team might be weakened by losing players or draft picks in the trade. So while a sign-and-trade is a useful tool when the team does not have the cap room to sign the player directly, the player and his new team have little reason to seek a sign-and-trade when the player can be signed without involving his previous team.
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Qman said:
But do we really want Perkins on this team?
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Did you also miss the point? Perkins primary function is being the vessel to get the Jazz assets and are going to be spending the money Perkins would be making no matter what.

Yes, each team must meet a minimum payroll:

Season Minimum Payroll Amount
2011-12 80% of the cap $46.435 million
2012-13 85% of the cap $49.337 million
2013-14 90% of the cap
2014-15 90% of the cap
2015-16 90% of the cap
2016-17 90% of the cap
2017-18 90% of the cap
2018-19 90% of the cap
2019-20 90% of the cap
2020-21 90% of the cap

The team payroll is not the same thing as the team salary. The team salary refers to the sum of the amounts applied to team salary, including each player's full salary (see question number 14 for a full list). The team payroll refers to the monies actually paid. For example, if a team trades a player midway through the season his salary comes off the team salary, but the money actually paid while he was a member of the team counts toward the team payroll. The team payroll also includes salaries charged to teams for players waived through the Amnesty provision (see question number 67).

If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.

Amounts paid as buyouts to international teams (see question number 75) do not count toward the minimum team payroll.
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https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

The Jazz are set to be at least $30 million under the cap and at least $20 million under the minimum salary. So the Jazz's options with the cap space are:
-Sign superstars
-Overpay vets
-Use the capspace they basically need to spend anyway to acquire assets by taking on salary from teams near or above the LT (this is essentially some version of that)
-Give Jeremy Evans, Marvin Williams, and some (other) scrubs a bonus for playing for a cheap team and get no benefit for the cap space whatsoever (Beantown's master plan)

To me, there is only one realistic option.
 
Beantown said:
I would rather just have the cap space.
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With the league minimum salary being 90% of the salary cap next year, it's not like you can really save cap space for a rainy day anyway. If we lose some of our high salary players like Al Jefferson, some deal will need to be made to meet the minimum next year.
 
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