OKC or San Antonio?

[spycam1]

Well, if the playoff fairy doesn't work, hopefully we'll get the draft fairy to turn our mid-round pick into a superstar.

The difference between your sarcastic remark and freak's is that his was referring to something you people are actually arguing. No one thinks we could get a superstar at the end of the lottery, simply a good player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We should have never made the playoffs the entire Dwill era. We would be set by now.

 

[mrob]

We should have never made the playoffs the entire Dwill era. We would be set by now.

Rep'd.

Seriously it feels like some on the board would argue this is a good idea. Since the Clips are doing better these days, maybe we should take their place.

 

[BluesRocker]

We should have never made the playoffs the entire Dwill era. We would be set by now.

This


Deron Williams
Russel Westbrook
Kevin Durant/Gordon Hayward
Blake Griffin/ Derrick Favors
Lamarcus Aldridge/ Enes Kanter


That's what would have happened if we tanked until this year

Not a bad team

 

[mrob]

This


Deron Williams
Russel Westbrook
Kevin Durant/Gordon Hayward
Blake Griffin/ Derrick Favors
Lamarcus Aldridge/ Enes Kanter


That's what would have happened if we tanked until this year

Not a bad team

You're going to make it really hard to tank with those players so we can get the 2012 #1 pick. Guess we can round out the roster with some D-Leaguers so that we lose enough games to still get into the lottery.

 

[freakazoid]

We should have never made the playoffs the entire Dwill era. We would be set by now.

Rep'd.

Seriously it feels like some on the board would argue this is a good idea. Since the Clips are doing better these days, maybe we should take their place.

And the INCREDIBLE irony here, is that there never would have been a D-Will era, had we not had multiple picks in that draft. You know, those worthless trade assets that never help teams like the Jazz.

 

[mrob]

And the INCREDIBLE irony here, is that there never would have been a D-Will era, had we not had a multiple picks in that draft. You know, those worthless trade assets that never help teams like the Jazz.

Wait. I don't think anyone (including me) is suggesting that draft picks don't have any value. Obviously our ability to accumulate picks through trades along with a bad record one season allowed us to get DWill. What I've been saying and what I assume others that agree are saying is that chasing draft picks at the expense of our current success is wrong and largely ineffective. That's not the same thing.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're going to make it really hard to tank with those players so we can get the 2012 #1 pick. Guess we can round out the roster with some D-Leaguers so that we lose enough games to still get into the lottery.

They all convert to Mormonism their rookie years and do their 2 year mission trips. That is how we should have tanked.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Winning what? Regular season games? One game in the first round? Well, if you're honestly satisfied with that, then you must be a very happy man.

Would you answer my question already? This is the FOURTH time I have asked you: with the way this team is currently constructed, what do you logically view as the best method moving forward for us to become a contender?

How could it possibly be any plainer that he believes that building around a winning culture is a better way of creating a winning team that tanking to get into the lottery. I don't think you could name one championship team in the history of the NBA who owes their success to grabbing a late lottery pick. Meanwhile, I could name a whole bunch of teams who owed their success to a gradual progression of learning how to win. The process starts with making the playoffs, if only as an eighth seed, and then working your way up from there, year by year.

 

[BluesRocker]

Wait. I don't think anyone (including me) is suggesting that draft picks don't have any value. Obviously our ability to accumulate picks through trades along with a bad record one season allowed us to get DWill. What I've been saying and what I assume others that agree are saying is that chasing draft picks at the expense of our current success is wrong and largely ineffective. That's not the same thing.

Ha

It's either they do, or they don't

You suggest in a way they oh it's ok for one season to have a bad record that says it's ok your way.
Maybe if we would have tanked one or two more season they maybe we would have been better today.
Maybe that's why we fell short during are run with DWILL. Is it possible that is the reason. That we didn't
stock up enough pieces to make a seriouse run? We were lacking talent weren't we?

See that's the whole point.

LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES

Fine tune your approach to winning.

The Jazz have a great system in place in everything they do, but not without their faults.
The free agent approach last time was ok, and that's it. We over paid for borderline allstars.
A center that was soft and didn't play defense, and a lazy Power Forward.

It's really all about timing really is what I think. You gotta know when to do what. Kinda like
how New Jeresey traded for Dwill was stupid on their part because they didn't have anyone to
pair him up with either at the time.

 

[BluesRocker]

How could it possibly be any plainer that he believes that building around a winning culture is a better way of creating a winning team that tanking to get into the lottery. I don't think you could name one championship team in the history of the NBA who owes their success to grabbing a late lottery pick. Meanwhile, I could name a whole bunch of teams who owed their success to a gradual progression of learning how to win. The process starts with making the playoffs, if only as an eighth seed, and then working your way up from there, year by year.

name the main guys on the last 15 championships

 

[margodydek]

How could it possibly be any plainer that he believes that building around a winning culture is a better way of creating a winning team that tanking to get into the lottery. I don't think you could name one championship team in the history of the NBA who owes their success to grabbing a late lottery pick. Meanwhile, I could name a whole bunch of teams who owed their success to a gradual progression of learning how to win. The process starts with making the playoffs, if only as an eighth seed, and then working your way up from there, year by year.

This is kind of how I feel. Also, if we miss out on 1 or 2 picks this year, I really think KOC has enough assets to get a pick or move up.

 

[BYE]

For me, we have a win-win situation right now, and we can't really get that good of a pick right now anyway. If we make the playoffs, hopefully the youngsters (Hayward will for sure) get some quality minutes, and hopefully we push the team to six or seven games. It sets a winning culture right off the bat for these kids. Then hopefully the GSW are plagued with injuries next year and we get a top-seven pick in addition to our own (I know this is a "deep" draft). On the other hand, if we miss the playoffs, then we get another piece, but will not have set a precedent that losses are fine. Could be worse (Bobcats anyone?).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think a positive everyone is missing is that if we lose our pick, we will be able to trade future 1st round picks again.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I'm guessing you couldn't set the pieces up on a chess board. Strategy? What the **** is that right amIright?

You're a fan of a team who consistently behaves in ways contradictory to your philosophies and I'm cheering for a team whose strategy I largely believe in, yet I'm the one who has no clue?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Wait. I don't think anyone (including me) is suggesting that draft picks don't have any value. Obviously our ability to accumulate picks through trades along with a bad record one season allowed us to get DWill. What I've been saying and what I assume others that agree are saying is that chasing draft picks at the expense of our current success is wrong and largely ineffective. That's not the same thing.

Bingo.

 

[vj_74]

Getting a taste of the playoffs(even if it results in a sweep) is important for the youngsters. I dont think anyone can argue against it. And unless we were getting a top 5 pick, which we wouldnt, I dont think it matters from a draft perspective whether we make the playoffs or miss it narrowly and get the 13th or 14th pick.
12-20 is crapshoot mostly, even in this draft.

If you were going to miss the playoffs I'd rather you miss it badly like the 2004-05 season.

 

[Brown Notes]

And the INCREDIBLE irony here, is that there never would have been a D-Will era, had we not had multiple picks in that draft. You know, those worthless trade assets that never help teams like the Jazz.

An incredibly stupid assumption would be that the franchise is crippled without one pick.

As a Browns fan I have a lot of confidence saying a good front office is worth more than any amount of picks. I know football does not = BBall but really building a winning franchise is the same regardless of sport. You have to have ownership that hires the right person (GM) and backs them up. That person has to instill an atmosphere of winning. That includes hiring the correct coaches and also finding talent that fits the coach/personnel.

Utah has this. Some of you guys just don't know how good you have it. Top to bottom this organization is on the same page from ownership all the way to the bottom of the bench. This is much, much more valuable than a draft pick and is why I supported having a push, however short lived, over purposely losing.

The Jazz have 4 guys that are very young and talented. Utah also has Millsap, Jefferson and "Captain" Harris all of whom will be expiring before any of the young players need signed. Regardless of any other picks this is an absurd level of flexibility and we already know KOC has the salt to make a good move.

The fans that melt over one pick are just not seeing the whole picture. Besides, at worst Utah has 2 firsts next year anyways. Get on the wagon.

 

[The Thriller]

OKC.

San Antonio? To borrow Pedro's line... "Pop is my daddy."

San Antonio will crush us because Pop is our daddy.

 

[NUMBERICA]

An incredibly stupid assumption would be that the franchise is crippled without one pick.

I get that, but the difference between a pick anywhere in 2003, 1996, or 2008 is vastly different from that of a pick in the 2000 or 2006 draft. I don't think the chasm will be THAT wide, but I think this is a particularly deep draft. We'll see I guess.