OKC Thunder @ Utah Jazz: ESPN/Root Sports @ 8:30PM MST

[just because]

I was pretty happy with the wings. Hayward played good D on Durrant. Kanter should be getting 33 min a night and Jefferson 13. The defense and rebounding are not even close. One trys the other looks to shoot the ball 20 times a night. Pretty sad if you ask me.

 

[BYE]

I think everyone of us could write down exactly what Corbin's substitutions have been and will be. The numbers stay the same irrespective of who is doing what. I wish Corbin would show some creativity and take a risk at all. It's getting boring.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I was pretty happy with the wings. Hayward played good D on Durrant. Favors should be getting 24 min a night and Jefferson 24. The defense and rebounding are not even close. One trys the other looks to shoot the ball 20 times a night. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Fixed. Favors > Kanter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think everyone of us could write down exactly what Corbin's substitutions have been and will be. The numbers stay the same irrespective of who is doing what. I wish Corbin would show some creativity and take a risk at all. It's getting boring.

I just get tired of his strict pairings. Other than that I don't have too many huge complaints.

 

[BYE]

I like that Hayward is playing well these past handful of games, but where in the hell is his 3 point shot? We need to hire Sherlock Holmes to find it.

AK didn't even shoot this bad in any year besides his terrible 06-07 year.

It's really bizarre. He has no confidence at all in it, and passes up wide-open threes. He shot so well last year, so how in the hell can it leave him like that?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

So....anyone think Millsap is a bit of a tweener ?

 

[Siro]

Fixed. Favors > Kanter.

I agree. 24/24 split between Jefferson and Favors would be wonderful.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's really bizarre. He has no confidence at all in it, and passes up wide-open threes. He shot so well last year, so how in the hell can it leave him like that?

It is one of the more bizarre things I have seen in basketball. I mean, I knew he wasn't going to be a 45% plus 3 point shooter for his career, but I expected at the very least 35%.

 

[Wham!]

I have zero confidence in Al and Paul securing rebounds/protecting the paint.

also, it sure feels like the Jazz had way more than 15 TOs...

 

[mellow]

I hate the Jazz offense, it is offensive. I know Ty changed the defense and hinted that the offence would have to wait for a longer training camp--but its past time.

The jazz players run like crazy on offense and set up nothing. The big guy gets the ball 18 ft out with his back to the basket--he can't score or pass from there and OKC was denying the pass because everyone knew where it was going.

Worse, the OKC guards knew where the ball was going and when it was coming back. They were picking off the same pass all night. Their timing of the Jazz offense was better than the Jazz.

Its time to make another change. Do it coach.

 

[Matthew Thomas Castleton]

The Jazz utter lack of PG play right now is absolutely killing them. Once again the Jazz get dominated by an elite point guard. How many more teams' PG's are we going to let go off against us before we realize that our utter lack of talent at Point Guard is a major need right now? The only team that the Jazz have beat this month did not have a great point guard (ironically the Lakers). Chris Paul KILLED us. We got blasted by Stephen Curry and Golden State. Jeremy Lin has been killing everybody lately. Darren Collison, while not a great point guard, went off for 25 FREAKING POINTS against us. Russell Westbrook just annihilated us. The effect of not having a player of Deron Williams' caliber at point guard is just destroying us this year. It is our definite #1 need in the draft or at the trade deadline if we are serious about becoming contenders again.

 

[prodigy]

Thunder are pretty good. Jazz not so much.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The Jazz utter lack of PG play right now is absolutely killing them. Once again the Jazz get dominated by an elite point guard. How many more teams' PG's are we going to let go off against us before we realize that our utter lack of talent at Point Guard is a major need right now? The only team that the Jazz have beat this month did not have a great point guard (ironically the Lakers). Chris Paul KILLED us. We got blasted by Stephen Curry and Golden State. Jeremy Lin has been killing everybody lately. Darren Collison, while not a great point guard, went off for 25 FREAKING POINTS against us. Russell Westbrook just annihilated us. The effect of not having a player of Deron Williams' caliber at point guard is just destroying us this year. It is our definite #1 need in the draft or at the trade deadline if we are serious about becoming contenders again.

good post

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

Seems i have to eat some serious crow tonight. JEREMY LIN!! I seem to have made a grievous error in my assessment of Mr. Lin's talents. Hail to Jeremy Lin! If his star zooms any higher we are going to be looking at something akin to a miracle. Some people just have a knack for playing this game when nobody else seemed to think they can. Seeing for me wasn't believing, but i believe now. 38 Pts tonight i heard.

We have all been saying that our kids are learning but not ready yet, at some point they have to be better than what we are getting from Millsap and Jefferson. I would like our young's to get more playing time sooner rather than later. What have we got to lose except some more games. Does anyone have an explanation for Paul Millsap's play? Are the ref's in his head? That violating the baseline call on him as he inbounded the ball didn't look right to me. He lifted that inbounds foot before making the pass, seen this done 100's of times and as long as one foot is out of bounds and the other is in the air, that should be legal. What up with that? Anyone have a different take on it? Don't want to over-react but the season seems in danger of slipping into chaos as it did last year.

 

[Jerry Lundegaard]

We are in grave need of a point guard.

On the bright side, Hayward is the ****ing man.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

OKC was triple teaming the post and making the Jazz beat them from outside, but the Jazz don't even really have the confidence to pass the ball out of the post. The Jazz know they don't have much perimeter game.

 

[Matthew Thomas Castleton]

Thunder are pretty good. Jazz not so much.

They lost to the absolutely terrible Sacramento Kings LAST night. If they really were that much better than us, they would have blown the Kings away regardless of the location of the game.

 

[freakazoid]

They lost to the absolutely terrible Sacramento Kings LAST night. If they really were that much better than us, they would have blown the Kings away regardless of the location of the game.

No. Anybody can beat anybody on any given night.

OKC is an elite team. Utah is not.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz utter lack of PG play right now is absolutely killing them. Once again the Jazz get dominated by an elite point guard. How many more teams' PG's are we going to let go off against us before we realize that our utter lack of talent at Point Guard is a major need right now? The only team that the Jazz have beat this month did not have a great point guard (ironically the Lakers). Chris Paul KILLED us. We got blasted by Stephen Curry and Golden State. Jeremy Lin has been killing everybody lately. Darren Collison, while not a great point guard, went off for 25 FREAKING POINTS against us. Russell Westbrook just annihilated us. The effect of not having a player of Deron Williams' caliber at point guard is just destroying us this year. It is our definite #1 need in the draft or at the trade deadline if we are serious about becoming contenders again.

Against LAL, our PGs were +5
Against GSW, our PGs were -22
Against NYC, our PGs were -21
Against IND, our PGs were -19
Against OKC, our PGs were -23

One win, four losses.

Our front court usually outplays the other team's front court, but it's too much to have to make up 20 points a night.

 

[mellow]

Ya know what else I'm tired of? Well I'll tell you anyway....I'm tired of Jazz broadcasters comparing the jazz to OKC.

"we're building through the draft with young players, just like OKC" No. the Jazz are not. yes, the jazz have young draft picks like OKC did three years ago, the jazz are nothing like OKC. OKC drafted four Scorers (Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden) then let them play a bunch of minutes together, then they adjusted their roster and filled in with role players and defense.

The Jazz , as near as i can tell, have 3 high draft pick role players, and another guy who is redshirting or something cause I haven't seen him play in 3 weeks. Now I may be wrong, the jazz could have three young stars to play with 'Hayward the Role Player', but there is no way to know because Hayward is the only one who sees consistent extended minutes, and it is increasingly clear he will never be more than a role player.

Jazz are not following the OKC model, it looks more like the Detroit Pistons model or the Chicago Bulls-Post jordan to Derrick Rose model.