On genders

[NUMBERICA]

nah just trying to get to 10.000 post then ride of in the sunset, as the last true man!
like the cowboy heroes from days no longer here.

I think I can say on behalf of everyone ever, we'll let the post count slide. You can ride off now.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Gender is a social construct.

Yup.

Sex is biological, gender is not. Gender is a human creation.

If we are talking just DNA, one type (Klinefelter occurs in 1 out of every 1000 births (perhaps more frequently).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

However, my point is that you can have, for example, female genitals with a quite normal XY DNA (various forms of testosterone immunity) or male genitals with an XX DNA (syr-region transfer). There are other links in the chain for your gonads to develop as testes/ovaries, and these can be altered regardless of your chromosomes.

I find your last sentence unsettling. Why is whether something can be realistically never be passed into the gene pool as a viable DNA construct" relevant to deciding whether or not they should be forced to fit into a societal gender role?

All true.

 

[moevillini]

I feel like there was a time when you weren't nearly as horrible as you are now and you'd occasionally try to make a valid point. Am I misremembering? If not what happened? You've been pretty unbearable lately.

Obidutch? Or both?
I'm confused.


At any rate, I thought Dutch's "Milky Wayling" comment was chuckle-worthy.

That would make us all Galaxians!!!


(Who remembers that great video arcade game? Or was it before your time?)

 

[moevillini]

would invite you butt i dont need a sidekick.

Just a kick in the side???


ROFL at my own jokes

oh and GF, my earlier question was answered in your next post, sorry I didn't read first and respond later. Guess I jumped the shark on that one.

 

[LogGrad98]

Actually, it's more like 98% of cases, and we shouldn't decide human rights based on what's easy for us.

Everything I have been reading on this since you brought it up puts the overall ratio of this occurring to less than 1 in 1000 (some estimates as low as under 1 in 5000 births), no where near 2% of the population, no matter how you define it biologically. Where do you get the 2% number?

 

[Nightmare]

What percent of people with ovaries have a Y chromosome? You think 2%? You simply lack knowledge on the statistics.

 

[PearlWatson]

I feel like there was a time when you weren't nearly as horrible as you are now and you'd occasionally try to make a valid point. Am I misremembering? If not what happened? You've been pretty unbearable lately.

I thought you were talking to onebrow

 

[Gameface]

I thought you were talking to onebrow

I was on my phone and thought I had quoted Dutch but I did it wrong.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Everything I have been reading on this since you brought it up puts the overall ratio of this occurring to less than 1 in 1000 (some estimates as low as under 1 in 5000 births), no where near 2% of the population, no matter how you define it biologically. Where do you get the 2% number?

the queer community seems to fudge the numbers. to make them seem like a larger group and then try to force some "equal" right(s) into existence

 

[LogGrad98]

the queer community seems to fudge the numbers. to make them seem like a larger group and then try to force some "equal" right(s) into existence

I think every human being should be treated equally so I am not going to get into that part, but I do wonder about the numbers. The most credible sources I could find for gay populations for example (as in not from obviously pro- or anti-gay sources) pretty consistently show the population at about 3% of the total population, but every pro-gay person I know always says "well but that's probably low, I'm sure it's closer to 10%" or even more.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I think every human being should be treated equally so I am not going to get into that part, but I do wonder about the numbers. The most credible sources I could find for gay populations for example (as in not from obviously pro- or anti-gay sources) pretty consistently show the population at about 3% of the total population, but every pro-gay person I know always says "well but that's probably low, I'm sure it's closer to 10%" or even more.

but base that equality on what? because the definition on equality seems to chance daily for the worse.
mass idiots think equality means everybody deserves the same.


and also the queer community has this notion that everybody is a closet gay.
always trying to turn you

 

[One Brow]

Everything I have been reading on this since you brought it up puts the overall ratio of this occurring to less than 1 in 1000 (some estimates as low as under 1 in 5000 births), no where near 2% of the population, no matter how you define it biologically. Where do you get the 2% number?

Just the one article I referenced (Klinefelter) in the first post has an incidence rate of between 1:500 and 1:1000 (so between 0.5 and 0.1%). Most of the other conditions are less common, but added together we'll come pretty close to 1%, at any rate. I admit 2% was a stretch.

 

[One Brow]

What percent of people with ovaries have a Y chromosome? You think 2%? You simply lack knowledge on the statistics.

That's one very specific phenomenon I mentioned out of a large range of possibilities, and ultimately, does the exact percentage matter?

 

[One Brow]

I think every human being should be treated equally so I am not going to get into that part, but I do wonder about the numbers. The most credible sources I could find for gay populations for example (as in not from obviously pro- or anti-gay sources) pretty consistently show the population at about 3% of the total population, but every pro-gay person I know always says "well but that's probably low, I'm sure it's closer to 10%" or even more.

Part of that comes from how you count people. Is anyone who has an occasional homosexual fantasy gay? Anyone who has ever engaged in a single homosexual act? If so, it probably is close to 10%. On the other hand, if you are referring to people who only have homosexual sexual thoughts, I find 3% believable.

 

[LogGrad98]

Part of that comes from how you count people. Is anyone who has an occasional homosexual fantasy gay? Anyone who has ever engaged in a single homosexual act? If so, it probably is close to 10%. On the other hand, if you are referring to people who only have homosexual sexual thoughts, I find 3% believable.

I would say the only way you could really measure that was by the people who self-identify as gay. If they have the occasional gay fantasy or have engaged in one or two homosexual acts but do not identify as gay in their day to day life I would say that person is not part of the larger LGBT population. And every study I have read where they are looking for how people self-identify it is always around that 3% mark, give or take a percentage point or so. Personally I think 3% is probably accurate, based on anecdotal evidence (e.g. people I know and their opinions about their own population) and studies like that.

 

[Stoked]

I would say the only way you could really measure that was by the people who self-identify as gay. If they have the occasional gay fantasy or have engaged in one or two homosexual acts but do not identify as gay in their day to day life I would say that person is not part of the larger LGBT population. And every study I have read where they are looking for how people self-identify it is always around that 3% mark, give or take a percentage point or so. Personally I think 3% is probably accurate, based on anecdotal evidence (e.g. people I know and their opinions about their own population) and studies like that.

I'd probably say that the actual LGBT population is 4-6%. I assume this on all those that are part of that pop. but are keeping it hidden. In the closet so to speak.

 

[One Brow]

I would say the only way you could really measure that was by the people who self-identify as gay.

They also can and do study the physical symptoms of arousal in men/women, often while they look at pictures or videos.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I still question where "gender" and "DNA" fit together. All this biological discussion and percentages is about an individual's sex. How does that relate to gender?