Openly Gay Man Called To Serve in Key LDS Position

[The Black Swordsman]

Well you neither look or act intelligent. If you would be inteligent you would agree with simple facts that religion does not make you better person, it is so simple it is not even worth wasting time on this silly discusion. It is like arguing with stubborn kid who screams that snow is black...
USA - highly religious country - high rate of teen pregnancy, abortions, std, crimes.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Japan - highly atheistic countries - low rates of teen pregnancy, abortions, STD's, crimes.

Yet you trying to act like blindman and ignore this and stick to your idiotic statement that "religion" makes you better. No it does not. Done talking to you as you are hopeless.

I showed you 7 sources plus my college book proving you are wrong. You haven't had any resources saying anything about the std's and all that .

See I go by evidence and science. I am rational, a free thinker, and a skeptic. That is why I believe in god. I don't do bind belief like the atheists. I've read God is Not great by Christopher Hitchens, and the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. You probably were brainwashed by pseudo intellectuals like them. Free your mind of dogma and surely you will believe in god if you have an ounce of rationality.

 

[MVP]

Read this book and you know true facts about Denmark:

Society without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us About Contentment. by Phil Zuckerman.

Before he began his recent travels, it seemed to Phil Zuckerman as if humans all over the globe were “getting religion”—praising deities, performing holy rites, and soberly defending the world from sin. But most residents of Denmark and Sweden, he found, don't worship any god at all, don't pray, and don't give much credence to religious dogma of any kind. Instead of being bastions of sin and corruption, however, as the Christian Right has suggested a godless society would be, these countries are filled with residents who score at the very top of the "happiness index" and enjoy their healthy societies, which boast some of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world (along with some of the lowest levels of corruption), excellent educational systems, strong economies, well-supported arts, free health care, egalitarian social policies, outstanding bike paths, and great beer.

Zuckerman formally interviewed nearly 150 Danes and Swedes of all ages and educational backgrounds over the course of fourteen months. He was particularly interested in the worldviews of people who live their lives without religious orientation. How do they think about and cope with death? Are they worried about an afterlife? What he found is that nearly all of his interviewees live their lives without much fear of the Grim Reaper or worries about the hereafter. This led him to wonder how and why it is that certain societies are non-religious in a world that seems to be marked by increasing religiosity. Drawing on prominent sociological theories and his own extensive research, Zuckerman ventures some interesting answers.

This fascinating approach directly counters the claims of outspoken, conservative American Christians who argue that a society without God would be hell on earth. It is crucial, Zuckerman believes, for Americans to know that “society without God is not only possible, but it can be quite civil and pleasant

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Denmark has the highest alcohol abuse, suicide, mental illness, and depression. No thanks. I understand you are free to chose the disillusioned life of an atheist. Just make sure to call the suicide hotline before pulling the trigger.

 

[MVP]

This is well backed up by the fact that Denmark is ranked relatively high in terms of suiciderates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

So lets look how religion helps USA in this suicide ranking? Highly religious country like USA ( 96 % religious people) has 11.8 suicide index per 100k population and Denmark who has 80% atheists only 11.9? I guess math is simple here.... percentage of atheists commiting suicide in Denmark is less then percentage of religious people commiting suicide in USA. Busted again.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

So lets look how religion helps USA in this suicide ranking? Highly religious country like USA ( 96 % religious people) has 11.8 suicide index per 100k population and Denmark who has 80% atheists only 11.9? I guess math is simple here.... percentage of atheists commiting suicide in Denmark is less then percentage of religious people commiting suicide in USA. Busted again.

I hope your done busting a nut over gay porn because you haven't busted a single claim that I provided. First of all USA is 96% religious people? Its less then 80.

Denmark amount of Christians: 81.5 % in 2008 (https://www.km.dk/folkekirken/statistik-og-oekonomi/kirkestatistik/folkekirkens-medlemstal.html)
USA: 78% Christians. ("News from the National Council of Churches". Ncccusa.org. 2010-02-12. Retrieved 2012-03-17)

Quote me some study's first of all rather then random numbers. Second of all quote me religious and non religious people in the same population. I've done this many times. You haven't done it even once.
OWNED and BUSTED once again.

Man I haven't single handedly humiliated someone in argument this bad in a while and I have humilated many people multiple times considering that SiroMar and One Brow are on these forums.

God gives people the free will to not read books I guess.

 

[MVP]

Denmark has the highest alcohol abuse, suicide, mental illness, and depression. No thanks. I understand you are free to chose the disillusioned life of an atheist. Just make sure to call the suicide hotline before pulling the trigger.

That is pathetic lies. USA is leading country in the world when it comes to mental illness at staggering 25%, Ukraine is second at 21%

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20040601/rate-of-mental-illness-is-staggering

USA is leading country when it comes to depression as well:

https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/15/depression-world-rate-forbeslife-cx_avd_0216depressed.html

Already proved that suicide ranks of Denmark and USA are almost the same at 11.9 and 11.8 and religion does not make you less suicidal.

And Denmark ranks only 18th when it comes to alcohol consumption. Yes, USA is doing better in that regard, I guess thats the only thing you can brag about when comparing to Denmark. But if you americans would have such good beer as in Denmark you would be drinking more as well)))

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I have never drank beer in all of my life.

Once again you are comparing country to country. The study's I have provided are within the same country. The only reason I brought up Denmark is because you keep bringing it back up even after I have provided evidence that negates yours.

 

[MVP]

I hope your done busting a nut over gay porn because you haven't busted a single claim that I provided. First of all USA is 96% religious people? Its less then 80.

Denmark amount of Christians: 81.5 % in 2008 (https://www.km.dk/folkekirken/statistik-og-oekonomi/kirkestatistik/folkekirkens-medlemstal.html)
USA: 78% Christians. ("News from the National Council of Churches". Ncccusa.org. 2010-02-12. Retrieved 2012-03-17)

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Other studies have placed the estimated percentage of atheists, agnostics, and other nonbelievers in a personal god as low as single digits in Poland, Romania, Cyprus, and some other European countries, and up to 85% in Sweden, 80% in Denmark, 72% in Norway, and 60% in Finland.

According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, again to varying degrees: United States (4% ) So if 4% atheists in USA - then 96% are religious right???
This is just from wikipedia where data of numerous studies is published https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheismd


Again it does not change the fact that you tried to blame atheism in Denmark for high suicide, mental illness and depression rates, when in FACT USA fares way worse in those categories leading the world in depression and mental illness by far!
You lost, end of storry - fact is religion does not make you better person, less suicidal, less depressed or less mentally ill.

 

[MVP]

I have never drank beer in all of my life.

Once again you are comparing country to country. The study's I have provided are within the same country. The only reason I brought up Denmark is because you keep bringing it back up even after I have provided evidence that negates yours.

You did not prove anything. You tried to argue that atheistic Denmark is leading in mental illness and depression when it was outright lie and USA with it's96% religious population leads not only Denmark but whole world in mental illness and depression. I am not even talking about STD, early pregnancy, crimes and abortions.
Bye, end of storry, you lost.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Other studies have placed the estimated percentage of atheists, agnostics, and other nonbelievers in a personal god as low as single digits in Poland, Romania, Cyprus, and some other European countries, and up to 85% in Sweden, 80% in Denmark, 72% in Norway, and 60% in Finland.

According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, again to varying degrees: United States (4% ) So if 4% atheists in USA - then 96% are religious right???
This is just from wikipedia where data of numerous studies is published https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheismd


Again it does not change the fact that you tried to blame atheism in Denmark for high suicide, mental illness and depression rates, when in FACT USA fares way worse in those categories leading the world in depression and mental illness by far!
You lost, end of storry - fact is religion does not make you better person, less suicidal, less depressed or less mentally ill.

I expect you to think I lost due to your irrationality. You didn't refute anything I said. Just because you cover your ears and shout "I win, I win" doesn't mean you win considering I irrefutably found counters to all your claims while you haven't found any for mine. The facts say I won this debate super easily. Your incorrect mind may disagree, actually I would expect an inferior mind like yours to disagree. You are probably embarassed for doing such a poor job. I don't know how it feels but I am sure you are probably used to it by now.

 

[colton]

So everyone, I hear there was an openly gay, but celibate, man called to be the executive secretary of an LDS ward in San Francisco. What do you all think?
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

 

[Jazz Spazz]

So everyone, I hear there was an openly gay, but celibate, man called to be the executive secretary of an LDS ward in San Francisco. What do you all think?
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

What do you think you are doing? This is a two person discussion on traditional religion vs the atheist religion. It has nothing to do with said article..... wait, wut.

 

[One Brow]

I feel like I'm reading a spoof of a One Brow-Ainthopper thread done by the retarded scout troop, only less funny.

With a lot more bragging, too. aintnuthin doesn't do many ball spikes.

 

[The Thriller]

At this point... I think there are far greater threats to this world than homosexuality. I get how some folks may find them as threatening or whatever.

To me, the middle-class being erased here in America, is far more concerning. This garbage spewed by folks like McCain clamoring for military action in Syria (and probably later, Egypt) is far more important than prohibiting x from marrying x. How this country is going to rebuild its failing infrastructure, education, and compete economically with the likes of China and Brazil in this century, should concern us a lot more. And how we're going to rebuild our economy and build/develop technology for energy and food in the future should be our #1 priority.

To me, I'm just tired of this issue. If homosexuals want to marry, letem. I'm not into other men. I'm a straight man and will CHOOSE to marry a STRAIGHT woman. But if someone else does? Meh, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. Letem and lets move onto the more important issues of our day.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

At this point... I think there are far greater threats to this world than homosexuality. I get how some folks may find them as threatening or whatever.

To me, the middle-class being erased here in America, is far more concerning. This garbage spewed by folks like McCain clamoring for military action in Syria (and probably later, Egypt) is far more important than prohibiting x from marrying x. How this country is going to rebuild its failing infrastructure, education, and compete economically with the likes of China and Brazil in this century, should concern us a lot more. And how we're going to rebuild our economy and build/develop technology for energy and food in the future should be our #1 priority.

To me, I'm just tired of this issue. If homosexuals want to marry, letem. I'm not into other men. I'm a straight man and will CHOOSE to marry a STRAIGHT woman. But if someone else does? Meh, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. Letem and lets move onto the more important issues of our day.

We can't truly rebuild our economy. In order to do that, things would have to get incredibly harsh for years and people couldn't live with that. Especially people at the top who suck from the teet of greed more than most of us.

 

[PearlWatson]

Well Canada is way more liberal when it comes to religion then US, good for you for making right choice - if muslim immigration and reproduction will continue in current rates in 100 years it will be dominant religion here... Calgary already has first muslim mayor in N.America.

Is that you, Calgary Jazz?

If so you know atheists killed your home country and your soul.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Is that you, Calgary Jazz?

If so you know atheists killed your home country and your soul.

He's an athiest, he doesn't have a soul. That would imply there is more to life than what is right here in front of us.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

"Science is not in principle committed to the idea that there’s no afterlife or that the mind is identical to the brain." - Sam Harris. Neuroscientist and one of the top 4 most famous members of the new atheism movement (one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse).