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NAOS said:
If you'd had any direct experience you certainly would have mentioned in the interaction you had with salt13. It seems a safe bet to count absence of evidence as evidence in this case; no way you can just carry on like you were if you'd tried your hand at it.

Look, we live in a world where we arm wave like that all the time. Sometimes, though, the arm waving doesn't work as well.

I'm not trying to be the last word, brough. lol at that.
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I have about as much experience as the vast majority in this thread. Which is to say, I grow some vegs in my garden. Since that has little to do with the subject at hand, I was using indirect knowledge to argue my stance. You know, like how all of us do with practically every single opinion we have? None of us here are professional basketball players, nor are we owners of major league sports clubs. And yet, look at us! Talking from indirect experience! Incredible.

So it brings two questions to mind, one, why are you even bringing up that asinine argument? Second, why do you target me with your asinine argument? Curious.

P.S. I also talked about the health trade-off of organic food and pesticides. Without even being a doctor! The hubris!!
 
Siro said:
I have about as much experience as the vast majority in this thread. Which is to say, I grow some vegs in my garden. Since that has little to do with the subject at hand, I was using indirect knowledge to argue my stance. You know, like how all of us do with practically every single opinion we have? None of us here are professional basketball players, nor are we owners of major league sports clubs. And yet, look at us! Talking from indirect experience! Incredible.

So it brings two questions to mind, one, why are you even bringing up that asinine argument? Second, why do you target me with your asinine argument? Curious.

P.S. I also talked about the health trade-off of organic food and pesticides. Without even being a doctor! The hubris!!
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I "targeted" you because of the content of your posts in this thread. Nothing more.

Also, dude, I mentioned that arm waving is an integral part of everyday argumentation -- so I've already conceded that point. But I also said that arm waving works less well in some instances; and I think you've thought yourself into an unhelpful circle on these issues.
 
NAOS said:
I "targeted" you because of the content of your posts in this thread. Nothing more.

Also, dude, I mentioned that arm waving is an integral part of everyday argumentation -- so I've already conceded that point. But I also said that arm waving works less well in some instances; and I think you've thought yourself into an unhelpful circle on these issues.
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All right.
 
Speaking of farming experience, I do have a funny anecdote on the subject. Back when I lived in Virginia, I was unhappy with the quality of mint found in the market. So on a visit to the middle east, I brought some back, and planted it in a forested area near my apartment. I didn't expect it to take because of how wildly different Virginia was from the plant's native environment. But man was I wrong. Without having touched it after planting, it grow out of control. The whole area was covered in mint, and I started seeing it around lawns and in every spot with available soil in the neighborhood. The whole area smelled delicious in the summer!

I moved to Utah soon after that, and I don't know what happened since. But I do imagine it continued to spread. I'd like to think that my irresponsible (but unintentional, to be fair) behavior has contributed to the flora makeup of the North American continent. :D
 
NAOS said:
you should look into different plant pairings. You can discourage a lot of bugs that way. Also, soil chemistry (and, thus, plant health) is a major factor in vulnerability to bugs.

I hear you, though. I live in a buggy area.... very hard to beat them. I think it several seasons to turn the ship in the right direction -- especially if the land hasn't been utilized for food production in its recent history.
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Everything is part of my yard. It's not a dedicated garden plot. It's still a work in progress and everything is here or there. I put down used coffee grounds which seems to control the aphids. If the aphids get ooc I spray the non-edible plants(lilac,roses,etc) with water that has old cigarette butts soaked in it. I've only had to do this a couple times.

The strawberries seem to be every bugs favorite. The bug that seems unstoppable is the cricket. Admittedly I haven't tried very hard as I don't mind supporting some level of bugs in the city. The crickets improve the "atmosphere" at night. That being said I can't imagine being a farmer and trying to deal with crickets without some kind of pesticide.
 
Siro said:
Speaking of farming experience, I do have a funny anecdote on the subject. Back when I lived in Virginia, I was unhappy with the quality of mint found in the market. So on a visit to the middle east, I brought some back, and planted it in a forested area near my apartment. I didn't expect it to take because of how wildly different Virginia was from the plant's native environment. But man was I wrong. Without having touched it after planting, it grow out of control. The whole area was covered in mint, and I started seeing it around lawns and in every spot with available soil in the neighborhood. The whole area smelled delicious in the summer!

I moved to Utah soon after that, and I don't know what happened since. But I do imagine it continued to spread. I'd like to think that my irresponsible (but unintentional, to be fair) behavior has contributed to the flora makeup of the North American continent. :D
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When I moved into my home there was quite a lot of mint. Really hard to get rid of. I still have to pull occasional shoots 5 years after ripping it out and tilling the soil. My mistake I should have covered the area and waited a season before planting what I wanted. Even then though I bet I would still be dealin with it.
 
♪alt13 said:
The bug that seems unstoppable is the cricket. Admittedly I haven't tried very hard as I don't mind supporting some level of bugs in the city. The crickets improve the "atmosphere" at night. That being said I can't imagine being a farmer and trying to deal with crickets without some kind of pesticide.
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Pray for seagulls.
 
Siro said:
Speaking of farming experience, I do have a funny anecdote on the subject. Back when I lived in Virginia, I was unhappy with the quality of mint found in the market. So on a visit to the middle east, I brought some back, and planted it in a forested area near my apartment. I didn't expect it to take because of how wildly different Virginia was from the plant's native environment. But man was I wrong. Without having touched it after planting, it grow out of control. The whole area was covered in mint, and I started seeing it around lawns and in every spot with available soil in the neighborhood. The whole area smelled delicious in the summer!

I moved to Utah soon after that, and I don't know what happened since. But I do imagine it continued to spread. I'd like to think that my irresponsible (but unintentional, to be fair) behavior has contributed to the flora makeup of the North American continent. :D
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This is pretty terrible tbh.
 
GMOs contain unnatural genes that humans do not evolve with and so they cause cancer and autism. You all think Europe outlaws for no reason? It is cheaper. They pay high price for low cancer and autism. You pay low price to greedy farmers and high price for cancer and autism.

Tell me which scenario is better?
 
Siro said:
Speaking of farming experience, I do have a funny anecdote on the subject. Back when I lived in Virginia, I was unhappy with the quality of mint found in the market. So on a visit to the middle east, I brought some back, and planted it in a forested area near my apartment. I didn't expect it to take because of how wildly different Virginia was from the plant's native environment. But man was I wrong. Without having touched it after planting, it grow out of control. The whole area was covered in mint, and I started seeing it around lawns and in every spot with available soil in the neighborhood. The whole area smelled delicious in the summer!

I moved to Utah soon after that, and I don't know what happened since. But I do imagine it continued to spread. I'd like to think that my irresponsible (but unintentional, to be fair) behavior has contributed to the flora makeup of the North American continent. :D
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If you are going to smuggle something it should be cocain not mint.
 
♪alt13 said:
Everything is part of my yard. It's not a dedicated garden plot. It's still a work in progress and everything is here or there. I put down used coffee grounds which seems to control the aphids. If the aphids get ooc I spray the non-edible plants(lilac,roses,etc) with water that has old cigarette butts soaked in it. I've only had to do this a couple times.

The strawberries seem to be every bugs favorite. The bug that seems unstoppable is the cricket. Admittedly I haven't tried very hard as I don't mind supporting some level of bugs in the city. The crickets improve the "atmosphere" at night. That being said I can't imagine being a farmer and trying to deal with crickets without some kind of pesticide.
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your yard sounds dope, braugh
 
we've planted marigolds throughout our little garden this year. That's helped. But right now we live in the most pest-infested place I've lived in California. It's kind of the most incredible part of the experience. Frustrating at times, for sure.
 
Howard said:
What on earth are you talking about in this thread?
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https://pioneer.utah.gov/research/utah_symbols/bird.html

Orson F. Whitney says that in the midst of the devastation of the crickets, "when it seemed that nothing could stay the devastation, great flocks of gulls appeared, filling the air with their white wings and plaintive cries, and settled down upon the half-ruined fields. fields. All day long they gorged themselves, and when full, disgorged and feasted again, the white gulls upon the black crickets, list hosts of heaven and hell contending, until the pests were vanquished and the people were saved." After devouring the crickets, the gulls returned "to the lake islands whence they came."
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♪alt13 said:
It's really not. The front yard was weeds and the back nothing but parking(compacted gravel about a foot deep) when we moved in. We try to just do a little at a time.
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Sounds like you had it made. Why mess with it? Looking for unpleasant work to do all summer long?
 
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