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fishonjazz said:
There is actually this thing called the lottery. Every loss could get us a better chance at winning it. Every win hurts our chances at getting wiggins or parker.

If we get gordon. Fine. But this win could have been the difference between getting gordon and getting wiggins/jabari.
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nah, we ain't getting wiggins/parker. even if we lose out including last night's game, we still most likely will get #3 pick. i just think because of embiid's back, those 2 will be gone in top 2 picks.

and honestly after wiggins/parker, not much separate from #3 to #8. i don't want embiid because i'm weary about his health. i don't like big guys with back problems. if we draft embiid and he turns to greg oden, then it will be 10 times more devastating picking a bust at #5.

so basically it comes down to who do we really want - exum, smart, randle, gordon, and vonleh. honestly, i would just flip a coin. no 1 player really stand out. all have pros and cons. i'm actually pretty high on vonleh. i'll be much more high on him if he comes in big and athletic in predraft.

at the end of the day, we are going to have 15.6% chance of landing a #1 pick as #3 pick overall at our absolute best(tanking out). say adios to wiggins. and i bet it's 50/50 for parker to stay at duke. he can at least taste the final four with Okafor. and he is a type of cat who hates losing. did you watch his interview? he was in a shock.

i've been staring at this and i just don't see it.

1. 250 combinations, 25.0% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance

maybe we will get exum and let him be our dynamic combo guard at #4.
realistically i see us being #5 pick. and we will get a damn good player at #5.
 
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Fabtrey said:
nah, we ain't getting wiggins/parker. even if we lose out including last night's game, we still most likely will get #3 pick. and honestly after wiggins/parker, not much separate from #3 to #8. i don't want embiid because i'm weary about his health.


1. 250 combinations, 25.0% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance our goal
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance
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how do you figure?
 
Fabtrey said:
nah, we ain't getting wiggins/parker. even if we lose out including last night's game, we still most likely will get #3 pick. and honestly after wiggins/parker, not much separate from #3 to #8. i don't want embiid because i'm weary about his health.


1. 250 combinations, 25.0% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance our goal
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance
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Strange post.
I said that more losses equal better chance at a better pick. You quote and show proof of what i said and act like its an arguement against me.
Strange indeed
 
fishonjazz said:
Strange post.
I said that more losses equal better chance at a better pick. You quote and show proof of what i said and act like its an arguement against me.
Strange indeed
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that's just wishful thinking. i'm a realist. and i've never won anything in life. lol

1. we are not tanking
2. there are teams who are tanking
3. we have winnable games left(pistons, lakers, knicks, pelicans)
4. we just came from 6 game losing streak. we've been adding more losses yet we still ain't bottom 3
5. we are still not tanking, look at our rotation. we are actually playing hard, trying to win hard
6. there are teams who are in a similar situations - celtics, lakers, kings, pistons. knowing us, and knowing celtics/lakers, we ain't gonna get so lucky

people needs to stop dream on. we are not going to out tank bucks, sixers, and magic. at best we are getting #4 most ping pong ball. and yes, we can land a #1 pick with that. sure. but we could also get #8 pick with that. so i ain't even gonna sweat on things we have no control over. just let it play out and be happy. i'm not even gonna dream about wiggins/parker. i'm just gonna be happy with exum/gordon/randle/smart

and no embiid!!! just no!!
 
You can only drop three spots from your position. So at #4 we could fall too #7.

#4 would be a great position for us.

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ah that's right. and i would be ecstatic with # 4 too.

i really honestly don't mind any of those 2nd tier players. i'm high on embiid, but i don't want him.

i want

1. exum - who could be our young penny.
2. randle - our athletic randolph.
3. gordon will be our joakim noah tweener version.
4. smart would be our poorman's d wade - and that's really not a bad thing
5. vonleh - would be our poorman's aldridge/bosh type. clear position pf/c, and room to grow.

for me it all depends on the predraft. we've seen the game tape. all have pros and cons. nobody really stands out. they are similar in talent. so for me, i would be much more confident who to take when i see some measurements. vonleh needs to come in tall at 6ft 8 1/2(barefoot). i need smart to be surprisingly athletic and be at strong 6ft 3. gordon must be 6ft 7 or taller. i'll cringe if he comes in at 6ft 6. i'll cringe if randle comes in at 6ft 6 1/2. exum better be long and 6ft 4 minimum. and show good agility and court sprint.

height and length matters for our team. we are in the west and i don't want a small backcourt. let's say smart comes in short at 6ft 1 3/4. we would have smallest back court in the nba. and i never liked tweener who are too short and not long, and a PF who can't guard other pfs like aldridge because lack of length. trey is already too damn small. we need to add some size.


i really really want jabari parker. but man, i'm kinda giving up on that. right now, i'm pessimistic about parker entering the draft. that interview kinda got to me. it was an embarrassing loss for him. he would want to have another crack at it. and with okafor he can now play his position. i just have to assume that he is a confident guy who believes he can win it all at duke.

so that leaves us wiggins - who i think will be #1 pick without a doubt. i really don't see bucks or sixers passing on wiggins. i mean the way he emerged as of late changed everything.

so yeah, say goodbye to wiggins/parker.
 
I don't get why you guys think that our guys should just stop playing hard. Every player and teams play there hardest to win. I'd rather have that then a bunch of guys that roll over and lose.
 
cowhide said:
The coach is playing Jefferson who without him last night the team gets beat big time.
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Exactly. WHY the hell IS RJ playing? As da ThRONe posted, the team is full of young undeveloped talent. You don;t develop talent by playing Jefferson 39 mins and giving him a ton of shots. That Corbin can't see this is just another coaching flaw, IMO. Ty is trying for a few meaningless wins to perhaps get himself an assistant coach's position somewhere next season. Corbin spent half his career playing for a backup spot. He bounced around between 9 different teams in 15 years. It's no wonder he identifies with guys like Marvin and Richard. He likely feels a duty to help them secure a job next season.

I had hope this would change after the trade deadline. But Lindsey is handling this wrong. He needs to intercede, either with a coaching change or perhaps offering some kind of severance deal if certain conditions are met over the last 3 weeks (i.e playing time for Clark, Thomas, etc.).
 
Doublea said:
I don't get why you guys think that our guys should just stop playing hard. Every player and teams play there hardest to win. I'd rather have that then a bunch of guys that roll over and lose.
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Agreed. Also with two picks one being a possible top five and all our younger talent we could trade up in the draft.

#5 & #19 plus Hayward and Kanter or Favors would be hard for any team to ignore.

Also it could be to our advantage if Jabari waits till next year. Its not like we are going to get 50 wins next year.

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Doublea said:
I don't get why you guys think that our guys should just stop playing hard. Every player and teams play there hardest to win. I'd rather have that then a bunch of guys that roll over and lose.
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Who thinks this again?

Im one of the biggest pro tankers and im not hating on trey or gordon for making that play last night.
Im pissed that jefferson scored 20 though and pissed that we won.
 
JoelHodgeJr said:
Also it could be to our advantage if Jabari waits till next year. Its not like we are going to get 50 wins next year.

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So you want another year of tanking?
Not me, I want to root for wins again next year and be looking at the playoffs, not trying for a top 3 pick again.
 
fishonjazz said:
Who thinks this again?

Im one of the biggest pro tankers and im not hating on trey or gordon for making that play last night.
Im pissed that jefferson scored 20 though and pissed that we won.
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A couple of other people, I don't want to name names. there's a few in this thread that are saying the players are ruining the teams future by playing hard to win (not tanking).
 
JoelHodgeJr said:
Agreed. Also with two picks one being a possible top five and all our younger talent we could trade up in the draft.

#5 & #19 plus Hayward and Kanter or Favors would be hard for any team to ignore.

Also it could be to our advantage if Jabari waits till next year. Its not like we are going to get 50 wins next year.

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i expect us to win 35 games next year. we have to see some improvements. with trey getting better and 2 new addition, we better be decent.
and if our draft picks pan out, we should be 45 win team by 2016-2017.
 
Doublea said:
A couple of other people, I don't want to name names. there's a few in this thread that are saying the players are ruining the teams future by playing hard to win (not tanking).
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I feel ya.
I think the players might be hurting the teams future by playing hard and trying to win..... but i dont expect them not to try to win.

I wish trey would have missed the shot last, and i even wish he would have intentionally missed it.
But i in no way expect him to try to miss it.
 
Everybody pissing and moaning about draft picks just please shut the hell up. You don't know how things will play out for the rest of the season, on lottery night, OR on draft night. Stop worrying about things you cannot affect! Sit back and enjoy the ride. Your ulcers and your family will thank you.
 
On a positive note, I'm not sure Embiid (injury concerns) or Parker (terrible defense) are really the answer. And if Exum only wants to play for LA, that makes the first four really one and three big risks.
 
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