Orlando-New Jersey-Utah Proposed three team deal

[aybars]

We all know we will not get equal value for Jefferson. Are you already forgetting the Jazz got him for Koufus basically?? Jefferson will never be able to carry a championship team. The jury is still out on Favors as well but we won't know until we give him the time. He has far more tools than Jefferson to be dominant. Outside shooting is of utmost importance. The Jazz have none of it right now. This is about trading Jefferson to create a more well rounded TEAM. Humphries contract expires at the end of the year so he is a 20 game rental anyway but Anderson is a great value on a cheap contract
Most of the trade ideas I see on this forum are completely ludicrous and unrealistic. You have to give up something of worth to get something. We can't trade CJ Miles for Chris Paul.

is svenguru from sweden?

 

[Fishsticks]

Is it a requirement to be a d-bag to stick around on this site? I swear it's like feeding piranhas when somebody posts something new. Dudes must just lurk on this website waiting to "teach a lesson" to some unsuspecting poster.

As for the trade idea, I like getting Reddick and Anderson, I don't really want Brooks over Burks or Hayward, and Kris Humphries doesn't sweeten the deal much for me either. It is a pretty original idea though, and it definitely addresses some needs.

You nailed it you MORAN!

 

[svenguru]

And in your trade scenario, the Jazz are getting??? Role players and an expiring? All at the expense of another prospect and draft pick? Or, in other terms, the Jazz give up interior scoring for outside shooting. A wash. Anderson and Millsap are redundant, and can't play together, thus their perceived combined strength is negated.

Jefferson has more value than when the Jazz traded for him (essentially two first round picks). Shorter contract, no injury issue as opposed to long contract, ACL injury.

What is the purpose of a trade? Do you want to replace an inside scorer with ANOTHER inside scorer? You trade for something you have plenty of for something you do NOT have! The Jazz have plenty of young big talent chomping at the bit to play. The hope of course is that Kanter and Favors can replace Jeffersons production. We would take a step back in points in the paint initially until the young bigs grew into an equal or better level of production. I would make the argument that what we give up offensively we would gain defensively and it would be a net wash. Your statement that Anderson and Millsap are redundant shows your ignorance. Anderson AVERAGES 3 makes/game at the 3 point line and shooting 41%; Millsap averages .6 makes/game at the three point line. yes that is about HALF a three point shot per game. Their games could not be more different. Anderson is another Memo okur with much better lateral movement. Why does the Jazz offense bog down at times? Because teams pack the paint and DARE us to shoot from the outside and NO ONE on this team can make teams pay for that strategy. Put Anderson or Reddick on the court and all the sudden the help is MUCH slower and the paint opens up.

 

[Scorpjazz]

Is it a requirement to be a d-bag to stick around on this site? .

YES IT IS!!! I receive a message every couple of months from the Mods threatening me if I dont trash someone personally at least once every other week. Ok, maybe not, but you are right, it seems.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So...which position would the two guard when they're on the court together? Millsap guarding centers? Anderson guarding small forwards? And you think that helps the Jazz defensively. They're redundant because they play the same position, so you can't play them together, so either both or one of their averages is going to fall dramatically because they won't play as much.

 

[svenguru]

So...which position would the two guard when they're on the court together? Millsap guarding centers? Anderson guarding small forwards? And you think that helps the Jazz defensively. They're redundant because they play the same position, so you can't play them together, so either both or one of their averages is going to fall dramatically because they won't play as much.

Why are you so caught up in playing Anderson and Millsap together?? Anderson would not be the starter. Favors would be the starter along with Millsap. You could bring Anderson off the bench to play alongside Favors or Kanter or millsap. They are better defensively because the two best defensive bigs we have play MORE(ie Favors and Kanter) We could play Millsap and Anderson at time when opposing teams go small and Anderson guards the opposing teams "center" with Millsap guarding the four spot. This would be an occasional combination but not the starting front court.

 

[Nate505]

Utah send to Orlando: Jefferson, Hayward(or burks) and Golden State pick
New jersey sends to Orlando: Brook Lopez and multiple picks
New jersey sends to Utah: Marshon Brooks and Kris Humphries
Orlando Sends Utah: JJ Reddick and Ryan Anderson
Orlando Send New Jersey: Dwight Howard

Net result: New Jersey gets Dwight in exchange for Marshon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Brook Lopez and picks

Utah gets Ryan Anderson, jj Reddick, Kris Humphries and Marshon Brooks in exchange for Jefferson, Haywayrd(or burks) and our GS pick

Orlando gets: Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, Hayward(or burks) and multiple high picks

Why Utah does this: We all Know Favors is the future and he needs more time so sending Jefferson packing frees up time for him. Everyone knows you will not get equal value for Jevevrson but the thing is we do not NEED equal value. We just need to fill the other holes this team has currently. Namely outside shooting and a potential stud perimeter scorer in Brooks. Hayward or Burks are both promising and appealing but Utah gets back marshon Brooks who as a rookie has already proven himself a capable perimeter scorer with good upside. Utah CANNOT shoot so they get back one of the best shooting big men in the game right now in Ryan Anderson AND JJ Reddick who is not only a knock down shooter but a capable defender. They also get Humphries back who is a good back up big man but his contract of 8 million expires and would be off the books at the end of the year any way.

Why New Jersey does this: they get Dwight Howard of course

Why Orlando does this: They would have two of the top 5 centers in the league on the court at the same time which no other team besides the lakers could boast. They get a promising young wing player in Hayward plus they will get a lottery pick from Utah and New Jersey in what will be a deep draft this year to further build out their roster.

What do you think??
Yes I have a lot of time on my hands

Interesting idea. Not sure I'd make the trade but I can see the value in it. Of course I could just be drinking the Hayward kool aid and am still convinced he will be good, and don't want any part of getting rid of Burks.

Plus trade threads are just brutal on this site. I feel like I should apologize for the dicks here, but it is what it is and welcome and I hope you stick around and all that stuff because once you get past the initial asses even they aren't too bad.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

I like Ryan Anderson, but he is FA to be and I have a feeling he is on the verge getting massively over paid (Think Hedo Turkoglu)

 

[BluesRocker]

Haha

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Gotcha!

 

[Fishsticks]

Haha

I'm svenguru.

Gotcha!

Nerd.

 

[The Thriller]

No. Just no.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nerd.

Burn.

 

[Fishsticks]

Burn.

To the third homey!

 

[Stifle Tower]

And in your trade scenario, the Jazz are getting??? Role players and an expiring? All at the expense of another prospect and draft pick? Or, in other terms, the Jazz give up interior scoring for outside shooting. A wash. Anderson and Millsap are redundant, and can't play together, thus their perceived combined strength is negated.

Jefferson has more value than when the Jazz traded for him (essentially two first round picks). Shorter contract, no injury issue as opposed to long contract, ACL injury.

It would be better just to let Jefferson's contract expire next season (there's the cap relief) and retain our young players and the GSW pick, which should turn into a starting SF. That's better value than Brooks, Humphries, etc.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Why are you so caught up in playing Anderson and Millsap together?? Anderson would not be the starter. Favors would be the starter along with Millsap. You could bring Anderson off the bench to play alongside Favors or Kanter or millsap. They are better defensively because the two best defensive bigs we have play MORE(ie Favors and Kanter) We could play Millsap and Anderson at time when opposing teams go small and Anderson guards the opposing teams "center" with Millsap guarding the four spot. This would be an occasional combination but not the starting front court.

The problem, then, is that you're trading Jefferson for backups and trading prospect for prospect, while also trading a likely lotto pick. That's neither good for the present, nor good for the future.