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Are we only capable of addressing one issue at a time?
#OscarsSoWhite - Thoughts?
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Are we only capable of addressing one issue at a time?
No but this isn't even a stressing issue IMO. It's throwing a temper tantrum IMO.
Carbon13
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I think this also goes back to the discussion about why some people hate Hayward or white players in general. I think it is in part due to a perception of cultural appropriation of a historically black game.
I dunno maybe I'm seeing too much into it, but I don't think so.
I dunno maybe I'm seeing too much into it, but I don't think so.
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I ain't ****ing with this thread
Miggs
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Plenty of blacks have been nominated and won in the last 10-20 years. In fact, it's almost exactly representative of society. If anyone should be complaining, it's Hispanics and Asians.
So take your dumb ******** to someone who doesn't know any better and **** off.
b_line
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Creed was good, but Micheal b jordan wasn't Oscar worthy in it.
Will Smith sucks. That accent was horrible. He shouldn't win.
I didn't see any black people play roles that merit an Oscar this year.
There should be more black people in the roles, for sure, but Michael Caine has a point too. The current black actors shouldn't expect an award because they are black, they should be arguing that the roles need to be more inclusive and the black actors need to play more diverse (not racially diverse) characters.
I'm sick of seeing "angry black man" and "funny black man" and will Smith just isn't making it any better by trying to be serious. They need to have action roles, serious roles, everything.
Idris elba should be bond, BTW. That would be pretty cool.
Will Smith sucks. That accent was horrible. He shouldn't win.
I didn't see any black people play roles that merit an Oscar this year.
There should be more black people in the roles, for sure, but Michael Caine has a point too. The current black actors shouldn't expect an award because they are black, they should be arguing that the roles need to be more inclusive and the black actors need to play more diverse (not racially diverse) characters.
I'm sick of seeing "angry black man" and "funny black man" and will Smith just isn't making it any better by trying to be serious. They need to have action roles, serious roles, everything.
Idris elba should be bond, BTW. That would be pretty cool.
LOL ... somebody should research this... in ALMOST all mainstream Hollywood movies I've seen there's at least either 1 funny black guy or 1 angry black man depending on what kind of genre the movie's in.
Also not totally related but what about....
#NBA_ALL_STARS_STARTERS_So_Black ????!!!???!!!
Obviously we need a quota system where at least 1 white guy should get voted in each year to balance out the #OscarsSoWhite issue/strike.
#NBA_ALL_STARS_STARTERS_So_Black ????!!!???!!!
Obviously we need a quota system where at least 1 white guy should get voted in each year to balance out the #OscarsSoWhite issue/strike.
Idris Elba would be an amazing James Bond IMO.
Ooof
Cappy_Smurf
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Awesome.
I don't think the problem is directly that there are no black nominees, but that the way casting is done currently in Hollywood there are unlikely to be many deserving nominees who are black or any other non-white group. And that really sucks, because most find it easier to relate to people who look more like they do, especially growing up, so having a diverse Hollywood that can really represent all walks of life would be really nice. The fact that there are no black nominees is an easy to see thing to call attention to crappy/lazy/whatever-you-want-to-call-it casting.
jimmy eat jazz
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I don't claim to have a deep understanding of what it is to be Black in America, but I do claim to making a good faith effort to listening to those who do, reading about their experiences, and to try to put myself in their place and understand the world from their perspective. So at the very least, my reaction is not a knee jerk one dismissing the concerns/complaints of black people when they point out the lingering, systemic biases they have faced and continue to face. So, I'm less inclined to claim that blacks "scream discrimination when it's not there" because at least I understand that discrimination in both explicit and implicit forms pervades all aspects of American society, even if I'm not living it myself.
A few more things:
1. Define 'huge,' as I suspect our definitions on this differ.
2. I don't approve of quotas anymore than you do. I approve of taking steps to fix the system the produces these results.
3. The fact that there's 'other crap' out there doesn't mean that one can't also advocate for other issues. For virtually every cause, there's any number of other causes 'more important' at least to someone else. Plus, people have this amazing ability to focus on more than one thing at once. Where it comes to advocating for causes, it's not a zero sum game. I see this as a really, truly silly complaint against someone taking up a particular cause.
jimmy eat jazz
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Really?
I'm surprised that your make note of Hispanics and Asians, after all, people is people, right?
I'm sorry, but you don't come across as someone who is particularly in tune with issues of racial bias.
I appreciate the offer to **** off, but after thinking about it, I decided not to. Sorry.
jimmy eat jazz
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You do realize that there are other sports, several of which are dominated by whites? Hockey, soccer, swimming, skiing, etc.
If, however, you can point to evidence of systemic bias against white b-ball players, I'd be interested in seeing it. It may exist, who knows? I suspect there is some 'racial profiling' going on where it comes to, say, football, where it comes to different skill positions. Year ago, for example, I remember Mark Bellini, WR for BYU, commenting that he faced racial profiling in the NFL, which he felt pigeonholed him as a 'possession' (aka white) receiver. For years, Black quarterbacks faced it, as did, I think, black coaches. If, such racial profiling does exist, in either direction, then I believe no less that the system needs to be reformed, just like I think the system is most likely such that it produces bias in handing out Oscars.
Like so many things, its the institutions that need reforming, often people are just operating under the rules established by the institution, and are not inherently biased, although sometimes they are biased, whether because the institution corrupts them that way, or through a process of self-selection by which people of a particular bent are attracted to institutions that share their values.
jimmy eat jazz
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If you're a Black actor, director, producer, etc. in Hollywood, I suspect that this issue takes on more relevance than for, say, someone like us? Perhaps even a more stressing issue?
jimmy eat jazz
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I agree. I think he'd be great as Bond. Make it happen.
