Jazzta
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I don’t trust a single word that comes out of Netanyahu’s mouth. For all that we know it could have been both Trump and Netanyahu’s idea to keep Israel out of the picture.
Our Embassy is Under Attack
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The Thriller
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I trust israel on this one actually. They gain nothing by escalating this situation. By Trump’s escalating this situation, Iran Now has justification to dump the nuclear agreement and more quickly enrich uranium for a dirty bomb. Israel doesn’t want that. Which is why they're trying to distance themselves from Trump.
The only scenario where Israel might lie about being involved in escalation is if they feel like regime change in Tehran is imminent. I don’t think anyone actually believes that’s going to happen. Even if Trump blunders into regime change, I’m not sure why Israel would think regime change would be good. Just look at Iraq, and that was with much more global support than America has right now.
The Thriller
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Wasn’t this the same admin who emailed their talking points about the Ukrainian phone call to Democrats?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/wh-...-ukraine-biden-call-emailed-to-democrats.html
The same admin that spelled “alcaida” on speech notes?
The same administration that argued about hurricanes?
The same administration that called Tim Cook, Tim “Apple?”
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3128766002
The same administration that stares into the sun?
The same administration that threw paper towels at people who didn’t have food, water, or electricity?
The same administration who took Putin’s word over our own intelligence community’s? And who thought offering our former russian Ambassador to Putin to torture and kill was a good deal?
https://youtu.be/2-Xw0_2eMJg
The same administration that pretended not to know anything about Stormy Daniels?
https://youtu.be/tE2XHYxkJgw
The same administration that invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11? The same administration that the USSR was right to invade Afghanistan in 1979? The same administration that claimed nazis were very fine people? The same admin who thought this pictured showed strength?
This administration?
Zombie
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Indeed, also the same administration that listed the nation of Wakanda as a free trade partner
https://twitter.com/frnsys/status/1207316477373829120?s=19
An administration whose president believed he could buy Greenland and nuke a hurricane to prevent it from reaching the US.
Let's not let any of this stop us from giving these guys the benefit of the doubt that they can manage escalating tensions with Iran though. We're in good hands.
Red
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Statement by Washington state Governor Inslee regarding the detention of Iranian-Americans at the Canadian border, which the government is denying took place:
https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-me...ponse-washingtonians-detained-canadian-border
"The reports out of the border crossing at Blaine are deeply alarming. Washingtonians who happen to be Iranian-American were detained at the Canadian-U.S. border for extended periods of time for no other reason than their ethnicity or country of origin.
"This is wrong and rife with constitutional and moral problems. No one should be treated differently due to where they come from, how they look or what language they speak.
"What Americans endured over the weekend in Blaine is unacceptable. This will not stand in Washington state, and we will continue to push for answers to ensure that it does not happen again. We've learned time and again that we cannot trust the Trump administration.
"Customs and Border Protection denials of these reports are simply not credible. There are multiple firsthand accounts of CBP agents seizing people’s passports while they waited for up to 12 hours for re-entry into the United States. By all accounts, this is detention, regardless of whether the waiting area has bars on the windows. And it is in line with this administration’s never-ending vilification of our immigrant populations.
"We can never forget that Japanese-Americans were detained in Washington state during World War II and their constitutional and civic rights were removed out of fear and hatred. This cannot become a new era of intimidation and division.
"Let’s be clear: this overreach is the direct result of President Trump’s recklessness. Following his indefensible decision to abandon diplomacy and dismantle the nuclear deal, Iran has restarted its previously abandoned nuclear program, and violence threatening Americans has increased. Rather than making us more safe, his unilateral actions increase the risk to Washingtonians at home and abroad.
"I will continue to stand up for the rights and protections of all Washingtonians."
And the legality questioned:
https://news.google.com/articles/CA...GCAowuLUIMNFnMLnhAg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-me...ponse-washingtonians-detained-canadian-border
"The reports out of the border crossing at Blaine are deeply alarming. Washingtonians who happen to be Iranian-American were detained at the Canadian-U.S. border for extended periods of time for no other reason than their ethnicity or country of origin.
"This is wrong and rife with constitutional and moral problems. No one should be treated differently due to where they come from, how they look or what language they speak.
"What Americans endured over the weekend in Blaine is unacceptable. This will not stand in Washington state, and we will continue to push for answers to ensure that it does not happen again. We've learned time and again that we cannot trust the Trump administration.
"Customs and Border Protection denials of these reports are simply not credible. There are multiple firsthand accounts of CBP agents seizing people’s passports while they waited for up to 12 hours for re-entry into the United States. By all accounts, this is detention, regardless of whether the waiting area has bars on the windows. And it is in line with this administration’s never-ending vilification of our immigrant populations.
"We can never forget that Japanese-Americans were detained in Washington state during World War II and their constitutional and civic rights were removed out of fear and hatred. This cannot become a new era of intimidation and division.
"Let’s be clear: this overreach is the direct result of President Trump’s recklessness. Following his indefensible decision to abandon diplomacy and dismantle the nuclear deal, Iran has restarted its previously abandoned nuclear program, and violence threatening Americans has increased. Rather than making us more safe, his unilateral actions increase the risk to Washingtonians at home and abroad.
"I will continue to stand up for the rights and protections of all Washingtonians."
And the legality questioned:
https://news.google.com/articles/CA...GCAowuLUIMNFnMLnhAg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
The Thriller
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I wish the Trumpers would answer this. But if trump really is for getting Americans out of the Middle East, why is he leveling sanctions on Iraq for wanting to send our troops home? Shouldn’t he be thanking them?
Red
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Decisive or impulsive. How it's ultimately seen may determine the winner come November.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/iran-foreign-policy-2020-voters-trump/index.html
The fierce political debate over President Donald Trump's decision to order the killing of a top Iranian military leader ultimately may turn on just two words.
Republicans cheering Trump's decision to target Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani have invariably described it as decisive. Democrats criticizing his choice have denounced it as impulsive. Whether voters ultimately see Trump's decision making in this case, and his handling of foreign policy more broadly, as decisive or impulsive could prove the pivotal dynamic in determining how comfortable they are with him managing the nation's global relations for a second term.
"The difference between decisive and impulsive turns in part on what happens after you make the decision," said Richard Fontaine, chief executive officer of the nonpartisan Center for a New American Security and a former top foreign policy adviser to the late Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona. "If this in retrospect turns out well it won't easily be marshalled as an example of the bad things that you get when you have an impulsive president. If this is the beginning of a descent into Middle East chaos, this will be exhibit A in that case."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/iran-foreign-policy-2020-voters-trump/index.html
The fierce political debate over President Donald Trump's decision to order the killing of a top Iranian military leader ultimately may turn on just two words.
Republicans cheering Trump's decision to target Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani have invariably described it as decisive. Democrats criticizing his choice have denounced it as impulsive. Whether voters ultimately see Trump's decision making in this case, and his handling of foreign policy more broadly, as decisive or impulsive could prove the pivotal dynamic in determining how comfortable they are with him managing the nation's global relations for a second term.
"The difference between decisive and impulsive turns in part on what happens after you make the decision," said Richard Fontaine, chief executive officer of the nonpartisan Center for a New American Security and a former top foreign policy adviser to the late Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona. "If this in retrospect turns out well it won't easily be marshalled as an example of the bad things that you get when you have an impulsive president. If this is the beginning of a descent into Middle East chaos, this will be exhibit A in that case."
The Thriller
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It's what the working class folks in rural Michigan and Pennsylvania voted for. What have smart competent elitists ever done for the working man anyway?
The Thriller
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@Zombie yet another example of his “brilliance...”
so rational. So ethical. A very deep thinking person.
reignman40
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And this another example of your humor? You worry to much about politics man. You scan twitter all day looking for quotes from rando "experts" to give yourself "knowledge" Go out and live a little, have fun. Stop worrying about so many things you cant control.
The Thriller
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Not trying to be funny. Just bringing up your previous posts so that other posters can more clearly see who they’re interacting with. If you feel offended, don’t be upset with me. You’re the one writing nonsense posts.
As far as your other nonsense, I actually work at a desktop for a good part of the day. And multitasking isn’t hard for me. When researching, writing, or teaching while checking out twitter isn’t a difficult task. I really don’t worry about things beyond my control. I do however, take issue with morons who think bombing cultural sites is somehow a reasonable response to Iranian aggression.
reignman40
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So it's nonsense to think the enemy can be safe if hiding in a cultural or religious site?
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The Thriller
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again, I’m not interacting with a rational human being here.
What you’re asking me to do is to waste my time. We’ve already explained to you why committing war crimes would be the wrong thing to do. So why are you asking me to repeat yet again how committing war crimes would be bad, why bombing cultural sites makes zero sense in war (especially an ideological/religious one), and citing the numerous examples of how destroying cultural sites became a war crime?
I’m imagining in Reignman’s mind, he thinks that Iran is hiding a bunch of missiles in the ruins of Persepolis and that it needs to be leveled and to compel the Iranians to surrender. Again, we’re dealing with an irrational nutjob here.