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Our problem on offense

NotDeadYet

NotDeadYet

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Interesting comments from the Jazz players in the SL Trib. When in transition, their wings are very productive. After they dump it into the post, the offense starts to stagnate as the wings just stand around. As far as the players (I think this was from Hayward) not understanding WHY they are just standing around, only they can answer that.
HE IS RIGHT, they DO need to keep RUNNING, not just STANDING watching. The most effective post teams/players PASS the ball back out quickly UNLESS they have a good shot right when they catch it, or can spin and get a layup or dunk. Holding or slo-mo dribbling the ball in the post is no more productive than any other player who hogs the ball, ala Crymelo etal... Considering the Jazz teamwork philosophy, we are not a real good passing team, IMO; very average, and turnover-prone when pressured defensively.
 
They're probably standing around because they don't want to look like fools running around for nothing.
 
PKM said:
They're probably standing around because they don't want to look like fools running around for nothing.
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The funny thing is, Favors is actually an excellent passer. You can tell on the rare occasion when he passes out. He makes beautifully precise passes.
 
They're not efficient in the half court because they suck. Raja has been our best halfcourt perimeter player for a while now, and that's ****ing pathetic. Even with everyone sagging and playing Al and Sap tight, the wings are having trouble doing anything with their possessions (although, Hayward is using the extra room a bit better now, even hitting a couple pull-up 15-footers in recent games).
 
There was one play in the last game where one Jazz player was covering the three point shot on the left side of the court, the ball was swung around, and this guy rotated all the way to the other side of the court to defend another 3 point shooter. I said to myself, "that guy was fast, who was that?" It was Bell !

Everybody is freaking out over the losses, but these are close games they've lost lately. The starting PG and wings are shooting better, which was the biggest problem earlier in the season. If they can figure out how to do just a little better on the foul shot attempts, or the rebounds, or the turnovers, these are all winnable games.
 
Our problem on offense :Al Jefferson's black holery.

he must pass as soon as the double teams comes.but he does not. he stagnates and passes when he is swarmed by 3 guys
 
If he draws 3 guys, there should be easy shots for somebody else... I don't see that as a problem if he draws 3 guys and then passes.

The last game was lost because Millsap missed a lot (refs?) , nobody on the Jazz got to the line (refs?), and also because the Jazz got severely out-rebounded.
 
northeast said:
If he draws 3 guys, there should be easy shots for somebody else... I don't see that as a problem if he draws 3 guys and then passes.

The last game was lost because Millsap missed a lot (refs?) , nobody on the Jazz got to the line (because they weren't aggressive enough), and also because the Jazz got severely out-rebounded (definitely not refs; more like players AND coaches, who played Kanter only 13 minutes, even though he got more than half as many rebounds as AJ in that time).
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Fixed.
 
NotDeadYet said:
Interesting comments from the Jazz players in the SL Trib. When in transition, their wings are very productive. After they dump it into the post, the offense starts to stagnate as the wings just stand around. As far as the players (I think this was from Hayward) not understanding WHY they are just standing around, only they can answer that.
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The coach needs to anwer that. If a team keeps making the same mental/execution mistakes, then it points to coaching. When they are standing around, Ty needs to call a TO and chew some butt. Never seen it happen though. Vets catch another break.
 
northeast said:
If he draws 3 guys, there should be easy shots for somebody else... I don't see that as a problem if he draws 3 guys and then passes.

The last game was lost because Millsap missed a lot (refs?) , nobody on the Jazz got to the line (refs?), and also because the Jazz got severely out-rebounded.
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problem is when there is 3 guys on him it's too late and he CAN"T pass. then turns it over or tries a difficult shot.
 
The problem with the offense is, that our PGs, SGs and SFs suck - end of story.

DutchJazzer said:
problem is when there is 3 guys on him it's too late and he CAN"T pass. then turns it over or tries a difficult shot.
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Really? I say:

Despite having the opponent's best post defender on him in most of the games and being double teamed sometimes, he has

(1) the team's lowest TOV%,
(2) the best AST% of all big men,
(3) a better A/TO than Millsap(and all other big men except Evans)

and

(4) he has a FG% of .472, which means he is shooting 2% better than the team average, while being the first option. Also it's the 2nd best FG% of the starters behind Millsap (.511).

(1) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2012.html#advanced::14
(2) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2012.html#advanced::11
(3) https://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/utah/cat/assistTurnoverRatio/utah-jazz
(4) https://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/utah/cat/fieldGoalPct/utah-jazz
 
Big Al no doubt knows he's the first option for scoring, so he keeps the ball and works for a shot, which he's good at. What would help reduce the effectiveness of double teaming would be for the wing players to keep moving and Jefferson to PASS them the ball at the first sign of a double team, instead of waiting for 2-3 guys to basically box him in and leave him no passing lane and only a difficult shot as an option. The wing guys could pass the ball back to him if they don't have a good shot. There's plenty of time on the shot clock for that.
 
Legatus said:
The problem with the offense is, that our PGs, SGs and SFs suck - end of story.


Really? I say:

Despite having the opponent's best post defender on him in most of the games and being double teamed sometimes, he has

(1) the team's lowest TOV%,
(2) the best AST% of all big men,
(3) a better A/TO than Millsap(and all other big men except Evans)

and

(4) he has a FG% of .472, which means he is shooting 2% better than the team average, while being the first option. Also it's the 2nd best FG% of the starters behind Millsap (.511).

(1) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2012.html#advanced::14
(2) https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2012.html#advanced::11
(3) https://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/utah/cat/assistTurnoverRatio/utah-jazz
(4) https://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/utah/cat/fieldGoalPct/utah-jazz
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47.2% blows for a big. Try again.
 
northeast said:
If he draws 3 guys, there should be easy shots for somebody else... I don't see that as a problem if he draws 3 guys and then passes.
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...my question is this: what team in there right mind would send 2 guys to cover Jefferson, let alone 3 guys, when 1 guy can render him totally ineffective 75% of the time??? Jefferson is your pro-to type school yard basketball hip hopper, who prefers to dribble the ball till the nails are pounded back into the court, then force up a shot which has virtually no chance of going in....but sometimes does! He passes as a last option, not as part of the team concept. He plays no defense, yet is paid more money than most Wall Street executives and fat cat lawyers!
 
Because no one in our backcourt has range beyond a dunk.

Hayward has been horrific and Harris has never really shown much range... Raja is... Well old...
 
DutchJazzer said:
Our problem on offense :Al Jefferson's black holery.

he must pass as soon as the double teams comes.but he does not. he stagnates and passes when he is swarmed by 3 guys
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This. Actually over the past couple weeks Al has gotten better (fwiw it's not like he could've gotten any worse) at recognizing the double-team and passing out of the double-team, but it's not quickly enough and he usually passes directly out to Harris - instead of looking to the weakside where the open shooters are so the ball sticks and we never get into a situation where we can swing the ball around and the other team has to hustle on their rotations. Then we're basically back to square-one with the 24-second clock winding down.

The biggest problem is we lose the cutting action when we post up Al, and Millsap isn't a traditional post-up player (1. He usually steps off the block and tries to face-up and 2. He's more of a positional post-up player who flashes and tries to establish position quickly rather than a pound it in on the block guy).

I've mentioned before how poor our execution is on our UCLA sets, so we're pretty much an iso postup team in the halfcourt - and when you go up against length and Al and Millsap are struggling - so will the Jazz and there's no way to incorporate the other guys. Utah's at their best forcing turnovers on defense and then pushing the ball in transition - but again the goal is to learn how to play winning basketball and alot of those opportunities disappear in the playoffs without a halfcourt offense to support them.
 
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