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northeast said:
it was a dirty play, just like the others were, 3 instances of trying to injure the opponent, JMO.

i have no blind hate for the heat , you have no idea what you are talking about, carolina had practically turned me into a Heat fan, but I can't support a dirty team that has the refs favor them, and after seeing them tonight I can no longer support them this year.

If they play the Spurs, I hope both teams lose.
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...obvious, East and I are practically on the same page when it comes to todays NBA! However, I hope the Spurs win the whole thing! Flagrant fouls need to be dealt with in a more serious manner. Flagrant 1's = 1 game suspension. Flagrant 2's = 2 game suspension.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Not really, it's a common technique done to draw fouls on 3pt shots. Go watch Jamall Crawford, players purposely extend their legs to land a slight bit further ahead than they usually do so they draw contact. Granger failed and just landed on his foot.
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....I have to side with Cyrone on this one, East! Although it's possible to get out of the way of a jump shooter so that he doesn't land on your foot....there's always a chance it can happen. I've had it happen to me on numerous occasions when I played basketball. I almost considered just turning myself into a set shooter to prevent it from happening again!
 
nightmare3983 said:
I think LeBron should have been called for a foul as he was moving toward Granger and I believe the defender is supposed to give the shooter room to land.
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Don't forget LeBron did this soon after the Miami team was worked into a frenzy overreacting to the mild flagrant foul against Wade. and he just happened to do it against the guy who shot 3 for 4 from 3 in the game. and it just happened to be in a 2-2 series that Miami was supposed to win easily.

Many of you always assume that every time a player just happens to subtly injure another player , it is innocent.
Just because it doesn't "look" intentional, does not mean it was not intentional. Putting your foot underneath a jump shooter is very rare, and goes against the unwritten code of basketball players, otherwise everybody would have twisted ankles all the time. There is a good chance this was not innocent. Based in what I have seen previously from Miami, I would not put it past them to do practically anything to try to win a title.

and yes, it should have been called as a foul.
 
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northeast said:
Don't forget LeBron did this soon after the Miami team was worked into a frenzy overreacting to the mild flagrant foul against Wade. and he just happened to do it against the guy who shot 3 for 4 from 3 in the game. and it just happened to be in a 2-2 series that Miami was supposed to win easily.

Many of you always assume that every time a player just happens to subtly injure another player , it is innocent.
Just because it doesn't "look" intentional, does not mean it was not intentional. Putting your foot underneath a jump shooter is very rare, and goes against the unwritten code of basketball players, otherwise everybody would have twisted ankles all the time. There is a good chance this was not innocent. Based in what I have seen previously from Miami, I would not put it past them to do practically anything to try to win a title.

and yes, it should have been called as a foul.
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I am going to use one of your favorite lines. "You don't know what you're talking about"
 
There were a lot of facts on that post.
There was some conjecture.
There is good conjecture , and bad conjecture.
Good conjecture uses facts and sound logic.
As a society, we have a serious problem of too much influence of a legal system that overly relies on proof and not conjecture, and therefore makes bad decisions, locks us into unjust or inefficient realities, and stifles the improvement that requires good conjecture.
I wonder if you are part of the problem, and yet you fancy yourself as a benevolent influence.
 
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northeast said:
There were a lot of facts on that post.
There was some conjecture.
There is good conjecture , and bad conjecture.
Good conjecture uses facts and sound logic. As a society, we have a serious problem of too much influence of a legal system that overly relies on proof and not conjecture, and therefore makes bad decisions, locks us into unjust or inefficient realities, and stifles the improvement that requires good conjecture.
I wonder if you are part of the problem, and yet you fancy yourself as a benevolent influence.
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It is still conjecture.
 
Well if Haslem gets a 1 or 2 game suspension, that game could ultimately work out in the favor of the Pacers.

I'm not sure how you punish Pittman. He isn't playing any way. I think you have to fine the balls out of him and suspend him for the rest of the series. Not sure if he will ever bee needed, but I guess he might if Haslem can't play.
 
1. No, facts are not conjecture, by definition of conjecture.
2. What was I arguing that you were not arguing?
3. You did not answer my question. What are you right about?

(re: stoked #33)
 
nightmare3983 said:
The play where Granger got hurt didn't seem like a dirty play to me. I don't think LeBron intentionally got under him nor did it look like an attempt by Granger to draw a foul. That said, I think LeBron should have been called for a foul as he was moving toward Granger and I believe the defender is supposed to give the shooter room to land. That point aside I think Miami definitely overreacted to the Hansbrough foul. I'm rooting for the Heat to come out of the east, but I think Haslem and Dexter Pittman should be suspended for game 6.
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I didn't see it real time, but watching it on replay at full speed and then in slow mo, it seems to me it was both 1- intentional and 2- dirty. I thought he made purposful, directed motion to get his lower body under a player who was in the air, and unable to protect himself.

I can't say if he intended to hurt Granger or just disrupt a shot, because I don't know what was going on his head. But I tend to believe that ball players know that ankle and knee injuries happens to the guy coming down, not the guy on the ground and Lebron had to know that Granger would land on him.

Bowen used to get under jump shooters all the time, if I remember right, he was more subtle, but didn't the league change the rules because of what he was doing?
 
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