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stitches said:
I guess if I had to summarize my feelings on this, I'd say this is my preference:

1. Keep Hill on team-friendly contract
2. Trade for Bledsoe/Dragic/Rubio(don't like the Rubio fit).
3. Trade for Beverley/Lin/etc.
4. Go with Exum starting at PG next year...

I think 1 and 2 give you good shot at Hayward. I think 3 is better than 4, but I don't think it's close to enough to make Hayward think this is going in a good direction. 4 - forget about it.
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Also if you do #2 then #1 isn't an option... if we did Beverly then Hill is very much in play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think the cost to do 2 is prohibitive and that if we do #1 then we have more uncertainty/risk. If you get Beverly you could start him at 2 or bring him off the bench as a combo.

You could also re-sign Hill and then just straight flip Beverly. Say Toronto loses Lowry... they may need a low cost option... Philly may look for someone to help the young guys... there would be options and his contract is super easy to move.

Price has to be right of course.
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I don't think the cost is prohibitive, especially for Bledsoe(if PHX gets a PG in the draft) and Rubio(MIN has been trying to dump him for any sort of value for ages, they almost traded him for expiring DRose FFS).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Also if you do #2 then #1 isn't an option... if we did Beverly then Hill is very much in play.
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Yeah, I think 2 should go into effect immediately if they think Hill is seeking a contract we wouldn't be willing to give him(they should know that because they were in negotiations with him just 3 months ago).
 
stitches said:
Yeah, I think 2 should go into effect immediately if they think Hill is seeking a contract we wouldn't be willing to give him(they should know that because they were in negotiations with him just 3 months ago).
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The landscape has changed significantly is Hill aware enough to take a lower contract than was offered.
 
stitches said:
I'm just not sure this ever happens. Maybe they do... I don't know. I've never been given the impression that they will do it.
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Let's hope Hayward feels differently than you do. Because if he doesn't, then his bags are definitely packed.
 
stitches said:
I don't think the cost is prohibitive, especially for Bledsoe(if PHX gets a PG in the draft) and Rubio(MIN has been trying to dump him for any sort of value for ages, they almost traded him for expiring DRose FFS).
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Rubio isn't as good of a fit and makes way more. Bledsoe likely costs favs and a pick plus more. I also don't think they take a PG... They get Jackson or Tatum.
 
I don't like any of the PG possibilities if Hill leaves. Beverly would be as good as any starting. I like him best backing up Hill, especially if Hill misses some games. It's a win-win regardless of how it turns out.
 
We lost to the Warriors. What does every opponent of the Warriors need more of? Perimeter defense and offensive rebounding. Bev helps with both. Hay would definitely see the acquisition as one step in the right direction.
 
Beverly is a better defender than Hill, younger, and way cheaper... I think if you ignore the Hayward relationship Bev at 2/10>Hill at 4/80.

Do it if available... figure the rest out later.
 
stitches said:
I'm just not sure this ever happens. Maybe they do... I don't know. I've never been given the impression that they will do it.
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Locke talked about this about a week ago, guaranteeing that they will pay the tax when the time comes. However, I have doubts about things once the repeater tax kicks in, so if they are able to keep Hillward, I think it's important to stay under the tax for one more year, and then we can pay the tax for 2 years before having to get under.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Beverly is a better defender than Hill, younger, and way cheaper... I think if you ignore the Hayward relationship Bev at 2/10>Hill at 4/80.

Do it if available... figure the rest out later.
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How sweet would it be to have both Hill and Beverly defending on the perimeter with Rudy guarding the rim?
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
How sweet would it be to have both Hill and Beverly defending on the perimeter with Rudy guarding the rim?
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Add Hayward and Ingles... shooting... defense... ball handling...

I am in.
 
Why are people thinking Hill is going to get 20 million a year. He is around 30 with a bad toe. His defense has slipped and there is really no competition for him except SA and they are not going to pay him 20 million.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Beverly is a better defender than Hill, younger, and way cheaper... I think if you ignore the Hayward relationship Bev at 2/10>Hill at 4/80.

Do it if available... figure the rest out later.
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I can't believe anyone thinks Beverly is anything close to Hill. I wouldn't mind him as a backup but there really isn't a comparison here.
 
The more I think about this the more I think we've gotta do it. Plays defense, shoots the three, has nastiness (team in desperate need of this), and grabs 6 rebounds per game as a 6'1" guard -- that's more than anyone on our team not named Gobert (he's essentially tied with Favors at 6.1/GM).

If real life were NBA2kwhatever, I'd move for Beverly, then go for Danny Green, then use Hood, Favors and Exum and considerations for Love. Would send out Burks and Lyles for nothing (there won't be any takers). Take Ojeleye with our remaining pick. Then sign Bogut.

Hill / Beverly
Green / Ingles
Hayward / Johnson
Love / Bolomboy
Gobert / Bogut

Ojeleye plays 3/4.

Perimeter shooting is improved (everyone but the 5s shoot threes), defense gets better, nastiness grows exponentially.

I don't care if that doesn't get past GSW. We bruise the **** out of them. Good luck for Draymond trying to pull **** on that roster.

I'll now return my expectations to just hoping we could get Beverly and Hill on the same team.
 
franklin said:
I can't believe anyone thinks Beverly is anything close to Hill. I wouldn't mind him as a backup but there really isn't a comparison here.
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He's a better defender... not nearly as good on offense, but there is not a $15M difference per year between them...
 
cowhide said:
Why are people thinking Hill is going to get 20 million a year. He is around 30 with a bad toe. His defense has slipped and there is really no competition for him except SA and they are not going to pay him 20 million.
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He gets 15-20... maybe a bit more depending on situation. If we offer 18 and SA offers 15... he chooses SA.
 
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