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Patrick Beverley Available

Browsing through ClutchFans and A LOT of Rocket fans do not want Beverly traded to Utah.

A bunch of them also said they would do this trade:

Pat + Anderson + Lou for Hood + Lyles + 24 + 30

And some dude named Astrodome on their board dated Dennis Lindsey's sister in HS.
 
Guys if we do a Bev trade we make clutch fans melt in the offseason.. that is enough reason to do the deal right there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's a better defender... not nearly as good on offense, but there is not a $15M difference per year between them...
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True but I don't know if he's that much of a better defender. Hill was important for this team in creating his own offense. Beverly can shoot just fine but he's no creator.

Neither of them are assist men though...
 
franklin said:
True but I don't know if he's that much of a better defender. Hill was important for this team in creating his own offense. Beverly can shoot just fine but he's no creator.

Neither of them are assist men though...
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Agree... was more saying I like the value more when you consider the contracts.
 
One final point: why do so many on this site continue this nonsense that the Jazz have a ton of cap room? They are already over the cap. They cannot simply absorb Beverly's contract after the trade moratorium ends July 6th. The Jazz must trade something of value to them. Boris Diaw's contract is not that. The 24 and 30 have little value and would be the logical starting point.
 
colton said:
I think mle is more like 8 or 8.5 million, and I think that's about what Teo will sign for.
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following amounts3:

Season First-year salary
2011-12 $5.000 million
2012-13 $5.000 million
2013-14 $5.150 million
2014-15 $5.305 million
2015-16 $5.464 million
2016-17 $5.628 million
2017-18 $5.797 million
2018-19 $5.971 million
2019-20 $6.150 million
2020-21 $6.335 million
 
franklin said:
One final point: why do so many on this site continue this nonsense that the Jazz have a ton of cap room? They are already over the cap. They cannot simply absorb Beverly's contract after the trade moratorium ends July 6th. The Jazz must trade something of value to them. Boris Diaw's contract is not that. The 24 and 30 have little value and would be the logical starting point.
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What? We have $13M of cap space left over from last season. We can use it in a trade before July 1st.


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franklin said:
One final point: why do so many on this site continue this nonsense that the Jazz have a ton of cap room? They are already over the cap. They cannot simply absorb Beverly's contract after the trade moratorium ends July 6th. The Jazz must trade something of value to them. Boris Diaw's contract is not that. The 24 and 30 have little value and would be the logical starting point.
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Who said about anything after 7/6? We want to trade Diaw and a pick (or two) for Beverley now.

Cy and others really made me see the light too. I think Diaw and two 2nds might be enough.
 
franklin said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following amounts3:

SeasonFirst-year salary
2011-12$5.000 million
2012-13$5.000 million
2013-14$5.150 million
2014-15$5.305 million
2015-16$5.464 million
2016-17$5.628 million
2017-18$5.797 million
2018-19$5.971 million
2019-20$6.150 million
2020-21$6.335 million
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That info is very likely wrong. See my later posts in this thread.
 
franklin said:
I went to the source for you, the actual CBA. From page 204 of the CBA:



http://nbpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf

NBPA.com is the official website of the National Basketball Player's Association.
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And part of the changes made by the extension of the CBA has the MLE upgraded by 45%.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/20/detailed-summary-of-changes-under-the-nbas-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/ said:
Exception Amounts. The Mid-Level Exceptions and Bi-Annual Exception for

2017-18 will be increased 45% from the amounts in the 2011 CBA. The revised amounts will increase or decrease annually beginning in 2018-19 at the same rate as the Salary Cap.
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So MLE for this upcoming offseason is $8.40565 million.

The link you provided, on page 204 of the document, says $8.406, so they round it.

Your post was changed from when I read it to when I quoted it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He gets 15-20... maybe a bit more depending on situation. If we offer 18 and SA offers 15... he chooses SA.
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He may get it but he is not worth it. I know there are plenty of guys who are getting paid with the new CBA but many of those teams are regretting signing the FA last year to the big contracts. I would be more willing to pay Hill more money if he didn't have feet issues.
 
If the Jazz can protect their 1st rounders and young players and still get him, then go for it.
 
cowhide said:
Why are people thinking Hill is going to get 20 million a year. He is around 30 with a bad toe. His defense has slipped and there is really no competition for him except SA and they are not going to pay him 20 million.
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And what if Hayward is still undecided? You think they want to risk losing both players to try and save a few million on Hill?
 
Am I right to feel optimistic that if they really did grab PB that that means the FO do still intend to hand the keys to Exum in the nearish future? Or is this about getting a very good vet role player who can play minutes at the 1 and 2 (in other words, nothing to do with X)..
 
Et tu Brute said:
Am I right to feel optimistic that if they really did grab PB that that means the FO do still intend to hand the keys to Exum in the nearish future? Or is this about getting a very good vet role player who can play minutes at the 1 and 2 (in other words, nothing to do with X)..
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Why are you still dumb to the fact that X is gonna have to take those keys?
 
Et tu Brute said:
Fair enough.

But lengthen the leash....
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You realize that Q was internationally regarded for player development before taking this job, right? I think it's time you took another Valium. Or I can personally attest to the value of logging out of JFC for a while.
 
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